Male friend on FB (a doctor no less), telling me that trans women are real women.

[Blondiebeachbabe]

I shared a meme on FB, about not supporting trans women in female sports.

A male friend of mine, who is a GP, commented that trans women are real women 🙄 I replied that trans women are men, and that my gripe was men in women’s sports, and men (rapists like Karen White), being housed in female prisons.

He then said that he knew lots of trans men, who just wanted to live a peaceful life, and I’m thinking well yes, because they are actually biologically female!

He then went on to quote all manner of statistics about violence from men against trans women and how trans women are at more risk of violence than cis women (I hate that term). and how cis women are more likely to be attacked by cis men than trans women.

It’s been annoying me all day. Here is another male telling me what to think, but also, whether the violence comes from normal men against trans women (who are men), or trans women against real women, this is essentially a male violence problem.

Because, we as women, aren’t the perpetrators in any of this. So men, stay in your own lane and sort out all your shit. You don’t get to throw the men you don’t like into our lane (bathrooms and prisons), and make us your collateral damage.

If a fox said that it felt like it was a chicken, you wouldn’t let it sleep in the chicken coup, just in case it was lying.

I may not have articulated this in the best way!

Yes, thank GOD both me and my daughters are only at a TINY percent of an increase risk.

PHEW.

As long as the men are all safe though? That's the main thing.

Not the ones I know. And they are the ones I am talking about.

Notamum12345577 Well you probably can’t, but it is only a tiny tiny majority that would be a predator

How about you go willingly into a room with twenty snakes. Most of them are non-venomous

We don't make law and policy based on the trans people that you know personally.

Here's a question.

If one of your trans woman friends who has had a penectomy enters the women's toilets, how do I know whether she has a penis or not?

A tiny tiny majority? Just over half? I don’t think any gender critical person would assume it’s that high a percentage!

@fungipie has not come back to address the "if transwomen don't have penises what about those who do" dilemma. I suspect she won't. It really does go to the heart of the matter, though. Are there real and faux "transwomen", distinguished by the presence or absence of a penis? Or is the penis just by the by, as most TRAs seem to be saying?

And her own argument is not inherently coherent in any case, on the one hand "transwomen" are a type of male-born person who now does not have a penis, and on the other being a woman, including being a "transwoman", is all about mentality and emotions and not to do with biology. Which is it?

A similar percentage to men who are preditors. And yet we ban all men from spaces where women are vulnerable.

So what about the ones that DO have a penis? Are they not real transwomen? Do you realise that is TERRIBLY transphobic of you? And enough to get you booted off the trans cheerleader team?

Policy is not based on post-op transwomen. It is based on ANYONE WHO SAYS THEY ARE A WOMAN REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY HAVE OR HAVE NOT DONE TO THEIR BODIES.
Don't you GET that? All it takes is to utter the magic words, and they are women, and to be treated as such and allowed access into ALL and every female space.

Don't you see the problem with this and the possible dangers?

ANY MAN.
Any KIND of man.

Less than 5% of YOUR definition of transwomen, have had penis removal surgery.
That means upwards of 95% retain their functioning genitalia. And the law applies to them AND your friends.

So - are they transwomen or not?

He should be embarrassed. And reading some of these responses, he's not the only one.

I'm not sure you did qualify your 'TW don't have penises (penii?)' to those in your circle.

This is what you wrote Transwomen have no penis- you do realise, whatever they wear

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Exactly @HootyMcBooby

@fungipie please at least answer that question: Are they "transwomen" or not? Simple yes or no will suffice.

Well yes and no

Gender.... Meaning special soul-like feeling when teaching kids about what to do if you don't conform to rigid stereotypes.

And gender meaning sex when it comes to prisons, sports, menopause groups, changing rooms, birth certificates, hospital wards, language etc.

And your post indeed said "Transwomen have no penis", you did not say "the transwomen I know personally have no penis". Very different. You realise that the law/NHS guidelines/educational guidelines etc etc does not only apply to just the "transwomen" you know, right?

If a trans woman is a woman then why are they called trans women - the clue is in the name.

It did make me laugh/cringe the other day.

A public complaint letter was posted by a current prisoner complaining that he cannot wear men’s underwear and can only wear female lingerie but they won’t let him have any because he’s only a cross dresser and not true trans 🙄

Apparently ‘trans’ prisoners can have women’s lingerie sent to them because apparently that’s their right and not a fetish at all.

Can you explain how to differentiate between the two categories please? I must be missing something as they’re all males to me. Even the few I know.

I'm seeing an AWFUL lot of transphobia on this thread.

1. Males identifying as women are not transwomen.
2. You are only a transwoman if you have had full "bottom surgery".
3. To think you can change sex is to "pretend".
4. A tiny "majority" (sic) of transwomen are predators.

Honestly, it's sickening the vile transphobia on this thread.
And that just coming from the trans SUPPORTERS!

What's the world coming to?

Many people in the early 1800s believed they were made of glass and therefore had to be wrapped in blankets as they were afraid they would break. (Google glass delusion).

It turns out that non of them were actually made of glass.

I missed this little gem yesterday.

What on earth are they then?

I thought "a male person who identifies as a woman" is literally the dictionary definition of a trans woman.

I don't believe you are posting in good faith, you're just posting nonsense for shits and giggles.

Either that, or you are astoundingly ignorant about trans people.

So you are saying that the ones you know, the ones who have had surgery, are women.

What about the others? Someone upthread said 95% have not had surgery, I am not sure if that is correct, but it's fair to say that most don't have surgery.
Should those who retain their penis be allowed to women's toilets/prisons/hospital wards?

How do they know what bring a woman feels like? They were born men, so they have no idea what it feels like to be a woman. I have no clue what being a man feels like and I never will because I was born female. They will never know what being a woman feels like because they were born male, just becaude they lopped their testicles off and turned their penis inside out they are still male!

Because it is a strange concept, how can someone born a man, with a penis, be mentally a woman?

Sexism, mate. Give me the top five ways, or even one way, you can 'think like a woman', and I'll show you what a sexist looks like.

Bloody hell we're so going backwards. I've never seen such a regressive movement, in all my life.

What an amazing thread. It's like the last two years never happened. TRA arguments circa 2021/2.

Indeed, having your penis and testicles removed is a uniquely male experience because no female has ever done it.