Male friend on FB (a doctor no less), telling me that trans women are real women.

[Blondiebeachbabe]

I shared a meme on FB, about not supporting trans women in female sports.

A male friend of mine, who is a GP, commented that trans women are real women 🙄 I replied that trans women are men, and that my gripe was men in women’s sports, and men (rapists like Karen White), being housed in female prisons.

He then said that he knew lots of trans men, who just wanted to live a peaceful life, and I’m thinking well yes, because they are actually biologically female!

He then went on to quote all manner of statistics about violence from men against trans women and how trans women are at more risk of violence than cis women (I hate that term). and how cis women are more likely to be attacked by cis men than trans women.

It’s been annoying me all day. Here is another male telling me what to think, but also, whether the violence comes from normal men against trans women (who are men), or trans women against real women, this is essentially a male violence problem.

Because, we as women, aren’t the perpetrators in any of this. So men, stay in your own lane and sort out all your shit. You don’t get to throw the men you don’t like into our lane (bathrooms and prisons), and make us your collateral damage.

If a fox said that it felt like it was a chicken, you wouldn’t let it sleep in the chicken coup, just in case it was lying.

I may not have articulated this in the best way!

Some point*

Fungipie, you said that YOU don't feel threatened.

What about the women who DO? What do you suggest they do when they can't share a space with a transwoman?
Given that transwomen can use a) male spaces b) female spaces c) third gender neutral or unisex spaces, and that women who need single sex facilities can ONLY use female spaces? what do they do?

What about THOSE women?

Should they just re-frame their thinking?

Give up their religion?
Get over their sexual abuse or rape?

What's your solution for them?

Oh I'm very aware that the woman they feel like is not me. But I want to know which woman it is that they feel like. Because we aren't some homogenous group with a tick box list of feelings. Every one of us is different So what feeling is it that they have that qualifies them as women??? And why don't I have this womanly feeling, given that I am, actually, a woman? It's all just so bullshitty.
And every single transwomen who has tried to explain it, always comes back to the feeling of enjoying wearing womens clothes and enjoying having feminine hair. Which btw I think is simply fabulous, but does not make them a woman.
Further, right back at you, it's not all about you either. They don't threaten you, but you don't get to open the door on behalf of those who do feel threatened. Maybe listen to those women with the same compassion ?

And yet, you have been doing just that. In the absence of any evidence provide by you that these male people are at higher risk than any other vulnerable male person, you have attempted to manipulate female people to accept a group of male people into female single sex spaces. That some male people, in YOUR opinion should access female single sex spaces for their safety and emotional well being. That has been you, hasn’t it?

I am genuinely shocked by this - do you really think that transwomen don't have penises?
So what about someone who has a penis but thinks they are a woman? What bathroom should they use? (and what prison and what hospital ward?)

No one is pretending anyone can change sex, not even Trans groups. They say people can change gender

What better than the linguistic gymnastics that is transwomen are women and be kind and just want to pee. Or the epic FACT.

Yep okay doke.

Tis ok for you to try every trick in the book to manipulate people but saying material reality is material reality and you can't change sex is somehow not ok.

You are familiar with the good works of India Willoughby then?

Trans people are at a lot higher risk of violence than most other groups (I’m not saying all other groups, I don’t know). A lot higher risk than trans on women violence for example.

@fungipiedo you understand the fact that you do not feel personally threatened if a man comes into the loo is not a reason to insist that all other women should have the same reaction? Because believe me, they don't. Can you really be that self-centred?

And as you appear to be a woman, I am willing to bet anything that there do exist situations where you WOULD feel threatened, as some PP have said. Sharing a prison cell or a small two-bed hospital room with a large mentally ill male sex offender, for example. Or, more prosaically, your thirteen-year-old daughter who has just started her second ever period having to share a bedroom on Guide camp with a fourteen-year-old boy. (OK, that would be you feeling that she is under threat, not yourself, but presumably if you have kids you would want to protect them as much as yourself?). Think it through for Gods sake! Think where all this ends up.

(And the next stage is to consider cui bono? But take it one stage at a time).

Not true.
Many of them believe they can change sex, a cursory look at YouTube will show you that. They believe taking hormones alters their sex so much that they are identical to females.
They believe changing outward sexual phenotype changes sex.
I'm not making this shit up, have a look. Plenty of trans people believe they have changed sex.

Well you probably can’t, but it is only a tiny tiny majority that would be a predator

GASLIGHTING BULLSHIT

Well no it isn’t, it is statistical fact.

Have you some stats to back that up?

Trans people are at a lot higher risk of violence than most other groups (I’m not saying all other groups, I don’t know). A lot higher risk than trans on women violence for example.

Do you have those stats handy? Ta

Why is it for women to fix male violence against males by increasing the risk of male violence to themselves?

Surely this is a problem for men to sort out amongst themselves rather than just left women being the collateral damage then?

Actually, it’s children- under one year of age I think is the most at risk. At least it was about a decade ago when it was regularly brought up in training sessions at work. Feel free to look it up if you want to depress yourself.

Links please

You'll be able to provide us with the stats then, I assume?

Well then it should be very easy for you to link to those statistics.

Independent, corroborated statistics NOT from a source with a vested interest please.

And not from the trans population of sex workers in Brazil.

Where is your evidence? Is it from trans prostitutes in Brazilian favelas? Yes those stats terrible but unsurprisingly it's worse for female prostitutes.
In the UK transwomen are a safer demographic than the norm.

Oh. That's reassuring.

You can change your gender in exactly the same way and for the same reason that you can change your favourite Taylor Swift song or the name of your imaginary friend.

Because none of these things are objectively real.