'Chestfeeding' to be banned in NHS crackdown

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Victoria Atkins is going to demand that NHS trusts stop using terms like chestfeeding, according to the Telegraph.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/27/nhs-to-limit-trans-ideology-with-new-constitution/

Yes I think so too.

Thank god for Kemi - she continues to challenge. I worry about what comes after she has left government.

If they think that they are men then why are they having babies FFS?

Very depressing if so. We’re just climbing out of the nonsense

Do you really not understand the point here?

We are protesting against being compelled to use language that is not natural English usage, for political reasons.

We are being told that using ‘breasts’ in the context of feeding a baby is wrong.

People are angry because normal everyday words are being replaced by words that don’t mean the same thing (chest is not the same part of the body as breast) and it is rendering women and women’s bodies invisible and something not to be mentioned.

There is nothing compelled about wanting to use language that everyone understands, with words that have clear and specific meanings.

Seems to me another bit of pointless posturing by Atkins. Face it, chestfeeding is never going to catch on.as normal terminology.

Pity she's so incompetent as a minister, though.

Can 'non-man' also go in the bin?
Actually, they can memory hole that shit and never use it again.

If a trans identifying man wants to feed their child from their body it will be from their breasts, not chest. So they want to be a man but refuse to acknowledge their womanhood except when it suits them! So why not call a spade a spade in any case?

They said it to the press. Which is very different to actually taking some executive action to make changes. The people who write these documents aren’t going to update them simply because Javid gave an interview in the Telegraph. If you want to change stuff in a large organisation, especially one like the NHS which is effectively dozens of separate completely autonomous organisations (trusts) you have to put in a serious plan to change things top down.

A copywriter hired by a maternity unit in Anytown is not going to change a thing unless they are told to by their manager and so on up the chain.

Governing by press interview and sound bite doesn’t work, you actually have to govern.

How does one breastfeed if they are not a woman?!!!

The bottom line is that the NHS shouldn’t have spent a nano-second of its time or a penny of its income on any gender shite whatsoever. Its role is to work with facts, not ideology.

@JellySaurus

Absolutely no coherency to this ridiculous ideology. Even the devotees can't get it right.

My example of trusts getting it wrong is from the Guy's Rainbow badge assessment where they had to have it explained that a trans woman is a man and a person accessing perinatal services would be a trans man. It's good to see the devotees forced to admit reality occasionally. 😅 Let's hope "carrying parent" is consigned to the bin as well.

"It is important to note that when thinking about perinatal service provision the patient cohort would be trans men not trans women. A trans woman is someone who was assigned male at birth but identifies and lives as a woman.
When looking at birth and overall care planning I have seen evidence that the service uses language referring to the carrying parent as the primary parent and either description is acceptable."

On the plus side, at least it's only the maternity, gynaecology, breast and cervix cancer literature they'll have to correct. It's not like they need to make any changes to the prostate cancer stuff, is it?

I wonder why.

Link if anyone wants to look through a Rainbow Badge accreditation report to see the full extent of the madness.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/rainbowbadgeeaccreditationrepoo18/response/2518318/attach/3/FOI%20124382%20Final%20response%20attachment%20NHS%20Rainbow%20Badge%20Report%20GSTT.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1

Take drugs to induce lactation. Unfortunately, there was an article praising milk produced by transwomen as 'just as good' or some such phrasing. I didn't see any analysis in the article of what level of the lactation-inducing-drugs were in the resulting milk. Logic says we need to know the answer to that question.

Here's an archive link that may help anyone who's not been able to read the article, it'll help you past the paywall

https://archive.ph/VGlqa

This makes me despair

In 2021, Brighton and Sussex University Hospital became the first NHS trust in the country to formally implement a gender-inclusive language policy for its maternity services department – which will now be known as “perinatal services”.

The consultation also covers single sex (not gender) wards and same sex (not gender) care.

I wish they'd stop fannying around consulting and actually implement something, start firing people if necessary.

Fine example of wasting time, money, resources, “expertise” to show devotion to the Gender god.

'Primary parent' - what's the other one? Sperm donor? Egg donor? Hand holder? Name sharer?

As PPs have said, provide alternative literature for those who need it, but stick to clear, unambiguous, truthful language as the standard. Mother. Woman. Father. Partner.

I added a reminder into my phone calendar on a monthly repeat, with an alert. It works perfectly.

Talking of Brighton and Sussex, isn't this the same Trust?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/27/nhs-trust-patient-deaths-inquiry-opted-out-expert-advice/

https://archive.ph/YzPpN bypass paywall

Ideology over competency.

And 'Coppafeel'? Just the name gives me the ick.

I am also one who believes that it will all get changed back again once the government changes. There are now too many activists in position that will mean this will be rolled out with a change in government. It will probably be done behind the scenes.

After all, Starmer effectively modeled that no one should speak the truth about cervixes. He was very clear.

I wish they'd stop fannying around consulting and actually implement something, start firing people if necessary.

I hear you, but my guess is that the consultation perod is a legal requirement.

None of your business.

Not every pregnancy is planned. If it is planned then there's nothing intrinsic to people who identify as "trans" that makes them immune to the human desire to procreate. Adults with the capacity to do so do not need anyone's permission or approval to get pregnant.

Health care services should not be limited in ways that make them less accessible to any category of person.