The Grauniad on a damaging “reality” show

[RapidOnsetGenderCritic]

Another slanted take from The Guardian on a trans story. It seems to me that the main take from this sad tale should be that lying, or concealing the truth, has consequences. But the article doesn’t really mention that angle.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/apr/25/she-was-tough-but-it-broke-her-why-theres-something-about-miriam-was-reality-tvs-most-shameful-low

Of course you don't care. It's just another untethered thread; another baseless talking point that fails under even cursory consideration.

The chronology here doesn't check out, at all. I'm not trying to defend pharmaceutical companies at all here - their callous and cynical exploitation of suffering is well known - but I am challenging this 'everything associated with trans healthcare is automatically polarised toward pure evil' mindset you seem to be stuck in.

"Do you think that the initial tiny puberty blocker trials for gender incongruent children were about making profit for pharmaceutical companies?"

What clinical trial? If you are referring to the Dutch experiment it was a study. If you are referring to something else it would be great if you could post a link.

you are the worlds first and only truly real telepath - you clearly know what other posters think.

Stop it. you have no idea what people think or do , you just want to parrot the party like that everything anyone on FWR writes, who isn't a TRA, is just transphobic.

Your waffle and dissembling is noted. We have child safeguarding and women's safeguarding (in that order) at heart. You? what is it you want, Butters? Elucidate.

I don't care who or when behaved in a completely unethical abhorrent way.

It is clear that they did. That is my point.

And it needs dealing with.

Monsters. All of them.

You don't experiment on children in this way.

You are excusing and trying to enable it. It's disgusting.

I'm sorry but I refuse to lie about one of the treatments that have been instrumental in positively affecting my quality of life, and I refuse to demonise those who compassionately allowed me to access them.

Everything that leant towards bypassing ethical research standards, child safeguarding, the premise of “first do no harm” then doubling down on it despite the ongoing harm and consistently clear indication of a lack of evidence of benefit is evil.

Children have been and continue to be irrevocably harmed.

You have to wonder about the mindset of anyone who considers differently.

Just going to say that the placebo effect is real.

A fantastic article was written on this. Butters won’t read it though and consider any self reflection as to whether it applies to Butters:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9886596/

Puberty blockers are being rebranded as "endocrine support" I see.

Of course "Trans healthcare" is another of those weasel phrases.

One would assume "trans healthcare" means dealing with the health issues suffered by trans people.

In the case of puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and "affirmation" surgery, it actually means inducing health issues in previously healthy bodies in an attempt to resolve mental distress.

Really the phrase "Trans healthcare" should be reserved for dealing with the health issues that arise from these interventions, the healthcare needs arising because one is trans, rather than the interventions themselves.

Of course, because ordinary people have now started to wake up to the fact that it is specifically young children who are the target recipients of this horrifying form of so-called “trans healthcare”.

Weedkiller of children’s future fertility, flourishing healthy bodies, and flowering minds.

You also refuse to qualify your statements.

If we take you at your word, you are only a positive data point for the "treatment" for male children.

Puberty is the peak time for bone development in girls. Even using puberty blockers for their original use, to postpone puberty for a limited period of time, is reported to have had catastrophic effects on bone health in adulthood for women. This has been pointed out to you over and over. Yet you continue to dismiss the poor health outcomes for women because you believe puberty blockers worked well for you.

What kind of person does that? Such self-centredness might be excusable in a child but not an adult, and as you keep telling us, you are an adult.

Is this a high quality study?

Oh wait. In Transworld the quality is totally irrevelant. So yeah, we can't discredit it. Except to say 'its transphobic'.

But yeah, the evidence coming out about positivity about transition 'wearing out' a few years down the line is something to watch to see if a pattern starts to form. That would suggest a potential inital placebo having 'achieved the goal' only for reality and sideeffects to kick in. The biggest potentially being issues with relationships and having children which for a cohort who were in their teens when they transitioned could have 15 to 20 years to come out in the wash.

Thank you, what an interesting and clearly explained article.

Sorry, that was to NotBadConsidering who posted this article:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9886596/

Susie Green's TED talk is

She keeps trying to take it down. Wonder why?

Choice extract from the transcript:

On Jackie wanting "girls' toys".

Jackie's dad struggled and he blamed me. His thoughts were that because I allowed the Polly Pocket and the My Little Pony that I was facilitating and encouraging and I disagreed and it caused tension. I had come to the conclusion with, over sort of the the sort of years up until she was about two was that I had a very sensitive quite an effeminite little boy who was probably gay but Jack's dad did not approve of our child's effeminate behaviour.

The child is two at this point. Two.

And Susie laughing about her son's tiny penis, caused by puberty blockers. Totally normal to discuss your teenage child's genitalia in public, obviously.

😳

Humans sometimes seem to think the strangest things are a good idea. She really must think she’s being reasonable or she wouldn’t dream of laughing like that.

I bet she looks at other practices of various kinds around the world, or in history, involving the body and thinks of those as being barbaric.

The most upsetting thing is seeing that young boy in the hospital bed smiling innocently and feeling what really?

Those women discussing his private body to a camera are obscene.

Ooh a deletion for me. Was it for pointing out a poster’s inconsistency in their self reporting of their wellbeing or for using the word castrated?

If it was for the former, I’m sure it won’t be the last time such inconsistencies come up.

If it was for the latter, I would point out that the words castration/castrated appear in WPATH’s Standards of Care version 8 a total of 36 times. It’s official transgender language to describe the removal of testicles, I’m afraid.

I got deleted for using the word T**f, I assume. I think the mod missed the irony.