Some women won’t accept breadcrumbing, until they are sure the Labour loaf won’t be mouldy come the General Election

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Why should these women, or any woman, restrain their anger or sweeten their bitterness? Children have been seriously harmed because those same women were ignored — granted not only by Labour politicians, but the women in those parties are right to expect that theirs are the politicians who should most apologise, because they turned a blind eye and a cold shoulder to the left-wing women who still did not desert them for doing so.

I think any request for women to restrain such angry outbursts shows a level of class prejudice and snobbery. Working class women, for example, are often categorised as not being very clever or strategic when they express anger, as though they are too lacking in intelligence to restrain themselves. The suggestion being that spontaneous anger is a limited and limiting response. It is unfair to say women are right to be angry about what has happened but “not that angry” or “not like that.”

Isn’t it the case that incandescent rage splattered over social media gathers the attention of politicians in a way that a privately furrowed brow and a stern letter does not? Likewise, feeling hopeful and grateful at the first sign of political breadcrumbs scattered in the direction of women, is not the same as dragging them into the open and making them apologise and commit to firm and concrete reparation of harms done. Honest righteous anger yields better results sometimes, than quiet, patient strategic waiting, which might not. Some women won’t accept breadcrumbing, until they are sure the Labour loaf won’t be mouldy come the General Election. Permit them their rage.

Part of a much longer article at https://thecritic.co.uk/a-labour-of-unrequited-love/

Indeed. We are all crossing our fingers that FWS win the appeal in the Supreme Court and we can get back to sanity.

I know I said I was going to stop discussing this with you but I don't understand what you are getting at here.

You said upthread that the EHRC advice to the Senedd - that self-ID MCW could not be eligible for its proposed gender equality measure - was in conflict with Haldane. I said it was not, because Haldane says legal sex is not self-ID sex, only certificated sex.
What you posted above confirms what I said.

Did you have some other reason for posting this excerpt?

Wales is a great example. No sign of complaint, or adverse word from Starmer for Welsh Labour, who carry on aiming to be SNP-lite. Starmer doesn't want to slap them down publicly. He could, just like he could have slapped the Corbynite LR-M. Both are gold-plated opportunities. But it's crystal clear he doesn't want to criticise the gender industry out loud, and pick a fight with half his party, and lose the student vote. Tories can (and doubtless will) say, if you want to know what a Labour government will look like, look at Wales! 20 mph speed limits!

Labour still can’t define what a woman is, the Scottish Labour Party voted for both the GRR and the Hate Crime Bill, if you think that Labour in England would be any different then go and look at the interview that @Imnobody4 just posted, where KS talking about women’s sport, didn’t mention the word woman once.

I think they kind of slept walked into it and they didn’t want to rock the boat, and a lot of their members were captured too, but they are doing something now. They commissioned the Cass Report and they changed the laws to enable information from the clinics to be gathered. They have also reinstated the need for single sex provision in the NHS so to say they have done nothing is not true. I don’t know who to vote for but one thing I do know, it won’t be either Labour or the Lib Dem’s that’s for sure as none of this would be happening under them, it would be full steam ahead, ignoring women’s objections in the process. Hell will freeze over before I vote for either of them.

Came across this video today and thought it might be of interest to the thread:

Well, yes, but this has been happening worldwide. So look for a comparator with other countries and their handling of the same societal forces. It's a kind of controlled trial... We can't say how Labour would have responded, but we can get an idea by looking at the response of countries with "left"-ish governments.

Clearly the UK is the world leader on this, by far.

I know this was from a few days ago, posted by necessaryscene.

But I think it is such a significant point that it bears repeating.

We get so lost in arguing about who, in the political parties here, did and said what- in the arc of events since the GRA. But looking at the larger context (beyond the UK) gives a true sense of the powerful tide that is so much bigger than our particular party politics.

I am fascinated, and strangely proud, that more consideration has been enabled here than in most other countries- and has even influenced other countries who are starting to consider, perhaps.

The myriad reasons for why that could be, have been explored across many threads here- and again- often extend beyond party politics (The press, size of country/networks, strong history of feminist activism, cultural traits etc)

Re the politics though:

The sense of hope at the prospect of a change of government feels so dampened for me, despite understanding and feeling the need for it.
Especially as it comes at a time of finally feeling that some sanity in area that had made me feel crazy for so long is being restored.

Because personally, I have no sense of what Labour will do in power, even given the shifts in awareness and debate that have happened in the last year-ish.
But, what I do have, is almost no doubt that we would be in a very different (unfavourable- in terms of gender self-id etc) position if Labour had been in power in the current term.

And that really throws me into a spin.

And how can you vote for a party that has been screwing over women for 14 years and more?

But their successors have only let these problems get worsen, and we have absolutely no reason to believe that anything will change if they were to remain in power.

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Maybe because they at least seem to at last be recognising what a woman is, and you can’t fight for women’s rights if there is no recognition of what that actually is.

Personally, I'm very suspect over any party that could create a law that says people can change their legal sex.

As a concept, it should never been entertained. It's barking.

@DameMaud 'The sense of hope at the prospect of a change of government feels so dampened for me, despite understanding and feeling the need for it.
Especially as it comes at a time of finally feeling that some sanity in area that had made me feel crazy for so long is being restored.

Because personally, I have no sense of what Labour will do in power, even given the shifts in awareness and debate that have happened in the last year-ish.
But, what I do have, is almost no doubt that we would be in a very different (unfavourable- in terms of gender self-id etc) position if Labour had been in power in the current term.

And that really throws me into a spin.'

100% agree. Thank you for articulating it so perfectly.

I agree

It’s one of the worst laws to be created and I have no idea how adults got there