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Some women won’t accept breadcrumbing, until they are sure the Labour loaf won’t be mouldy come the General Election

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IwantToRetire · 19/04/2024 18:41

Why should these women, or any woman, restrain their anger or sweeten their bitterness? Children have been seriously harmed because those same women were ignored — granted not only by Labour politicians, but the women in those parties are right to expect that theirs are the politicians who should most apologise, because they turned a blind eye and a cold shoulder to the left-wing women who still did not desert them for doing so.

I think any request for women to restrain such angry outbursts shows a level of class prejudice and snobbery. Working class women, for example, are often categorised as not being very clever or strategic when they express anger, as though they are too lacking in intelligence to restrain themselves. The suggestion being that spontaneous anger is a limited and limiting response. It is unfair to say women are right to be angry about what has happened but “not that angry” or “not like that.”

Isn’t it the case that incandescent rage splattered over social media gathers the attention of politicians in a way that a privately furrowed brow and a stern letter does not? Likewise, feeling hopeful and grateful at the first sign of political breadcrumbs scattered in the direction of women, is not the same as dragging them into the open and making them apologise and commit to firm and concrete reparation of harms done. Honest righteous anger yields better results sometimes, than quiet, patient strategic waiting, which might not. Some women won’t accept breadcrumbing, until they are sure the Labour loaf won’t be mouldy come the General Election. Permit them their rage.

Part of a much longer article at https://thecritic.co.uk/a-labour-of-unrequited-love/

A Labour of unrequited love | Jean Hatchet | The Critic Magazine

For many years now, women have appealed to the Labour Party to try to understand the fundamental clash between women’s rights and the unfair demands of the trans activist movement…

https://thecritic.co.uk/a-labour-of-unrequited-love

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duc748 · 19/04/2024 18:53

I'd love to know who the women MPs whispering about RD were.

Of course, it would be wrong to speculate... 😛

Imnobody4 · 19/04/2024 18:56

Completely agree - if Labour want my vote they're going to have to get a grip. All the women who left Labour because of this deserve a clear unequivocal apology at the same level of seriousness as over anti- semiticism. Lives have been hurt and damaged.

BreadInCaptivity · 19/04/2024 18:59

Imnobody4 · 19/04/2024 18:56

Completely agree - if Labour want my vote they're going to have to get a grip. All the women who left Labour because of this deserve a clear unequivocal apology at the same level of seriousness as over anti- semiticism. Lives have been hurt and damaged.

Absolutely this.

HelenaTranscart · 19/04/2024 19:19

I don't trust Starmer and the swivel-eyed lunatics like Lisa (TWAW) Nandy who surround him. I won't vote for them. I hate the Tories but I'll hold my nose and vote Conservative on this single issue. I'm in Scotland so we're screwed anyway with the Scottish Nasty Party, Green 'moon barkers', and Humza Useless. How much worse can it get?

duc748 · 19/04/2024 19:25

I don't trust Starmer and the swivel-eyed lunatics like Lisa (TWAW) Nandy who surround him.

My MP. 😡Who will not be getting my vote.

Floisme · 19/04/2024 19:37

Great article that sums up a lot of how I feel, except I've gone past the stage of hoping for an apology.

Snowypeaks · 19/04/2024 19:49

Brilliant article.

Geebray · 19/04/2024 19:51

Labour will be back to TWAW as soon as they've won the election.

WallaceinAnderland · 19/04/2024 20:00

I've been more disappointed by the Labour Party than the tories. I expected more from them. I expected Labour to support women. They have not won back my vote. Don't trust them at all.

AGlinnerOfHope · 19/04/2024 20:01

Yep.

Snowypeaks · 19/04/2024 20:04

Geebray · 19/04/2024 19:51

Labour will be back to TWAW as soon as they've won the election.

This is the worry.

ArabellaScott · 19/04/2024 20:11

An apology will be utterly meaningless. It's been made clear by Labour's repeated, sustained actions, that they are deeply misogynist.

The Tories have their own issues, of course, but they don't seem to have the woman-hatred that Labour have. I honestly don't know how we can even begin to address this going forward, because Labour also seem incapable of acknowledging the issue, even though it's made clear in so many of their actions, which to me look symptomatic of a very deeply seated issue.

If it's 'deeds not words' then Labour are screwed in my view.

Some great women in Labour - I honestly don't know how they put up with it.

WallaceinAnderland · 19/04/2024 20:31

We really need someone in Labour who a) gets it and b) isn't afraid to address it.

Clear language, showing full understanding of the issues and a decisive commitment to upholding truth and common sense would win back my vote.

But not with flip flop Starmer. I cannot vote for him under any circumstances because he is either a coward or a liar. And I expect more than that from the Labour party.

Swashbuckled · 19/04/2024 20:37

I mentioned on another thread that I've never voted Tory, and I am really starting to stress about what to do with my vote.

Don't they know this is the case for so many women?

thistimelastweek · 19/04/2024 20:43

FFS.

This is all the Tories have got.

Single issues that their right wing press allies throw out to distract voters from everything else.

Like everything else.

Food banks.

NHS on its knees.

Schools literally crumbling.

Sewage in our rivers and water supplies.

And the list goes on....

Swashbuckled · 19/04/2024 20:51

@thistimelastweek

I know.

But how can I vote for a party that doesn't recognise what I am? Would it really not be like a turkey voting for Christmas?

thistimelastweek · 19/04/2024 20:56

Swashbuckled · 19/04/2024 20:51

@thistimelastweek

I know.

But how can I vote for a party that doesn't recognise what I am? Would it really not be like a turkey voting for Christmas?

This is a party that reaches out to racists.

Is that who you are?

The single issue campaign is cynical and insincere.

Don't buy in

IwantToRetire · 19/04/2024 21:03

thistimelastweek · 19/04/2024 20:43

FFS.

This is all the Tories have got.

Single issues that their right wing press allies throw out to distract voters from everything else.

Like everything else.

Food banks.

NHS on its knees.

Schools literally crumbling.

Sewage in our rivers and water supplies.

And the list goes on....

Sorry but this is just a knee jerk response and doesn't engage with the article.

Even to try and imply that this article is a Tory ploy is just insulting to the author who by the way I had no allegiances to.

The article isn't about the tories.

It is about the state of the Labour Party.

If you want to moan about the Tories you could start a thread about it.

Why try to silence women who do have or had some Labour Party affiliation from being able to express how they feel.

In the interest of transparency I am not affiliated to the Labour Party!

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HappyEater · 19/04/2024 21:05

Annaliese Dodds is another horror. Still completely capitulated.

NoWordForFluffy · 19/04/2024 21:06

thistimelastweek · 19/04/2024 20:56

This is a party that reaches out to racists.

Is that who you are?

The single issue campaign is cynical and insincere.

Don't buy in

It's not a single issue. Women's sex-based rights cover a whole range of issues. Anyone calling it a single issue either doesn't understand or is deliberately minimising it to try to stop the focus on it.

IwantToRetire · 19/04/2024 21:06

This is a party that reaches out to racists.

Is that who you are?

The single issue campaign is cynical and insincere.

Don't buy in

What are you talking about.

What single issue campaign do you imagine you are talking about.

Try and engage with the discussion, instead of just pumping out standard reply 99 or 240.

I do hope this isn't a well known I dont believe in sex and gender so I am coming on the thread about sex and gender to lecture women who dare talk about it.

How about a well thought out and mature response to ...

how can I vote for a party that doesn't recognise what I am? Would it really not be like a turkey voting for Christmas?

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Geebray · 19/04/2024 21:06

thistimelastweek · 19/04/2024 20:43

FFS.

This is all the Tories have got.

Single issues that their right wing press allies throw out to distract voters from everything else.

Like everything else.

Food banks.

NHS on its knees.

Schools literally crumbling.

Sewage in our rivers and water supplies.

And the list goes on....

Excuse me! Please don't patronise us by telling us we are being "distracted" by the Tories. This is about the Labour party, and whether women can trust them.

CocoapuffPuff · 19/04/2024 21:30

No. No we can't trust them.

I cant believe courage and integrity is so lacking in ALL our politicians.

My Granny was a suffragette. I may have a vote thanks to her generation, but i have not one fucker worth using it on.

Fucking terrific.

songaboutjam · 19/04/2024 21:36

I have felt increasingly alienated from the left over the past 5 years. As a student, I was a Corbynista.

All the sneering and smearing I've encountered, often from people in a social class above mine, is pushing me even further away from ever voting Labour again. I'm afraid Labour is starting to come across as the snobby out of touch party.

Why on earth would I vote for or identify with a political wing that a) considers me an ignorant peasant and b) couldn't give a shiny shit about the protected characteristics that make life more difficult for me and others like me?

I've been in abusive relationships before. I am not staying in this one.

IwantToRetire · 19/04/2024 21:48

I've been in abusive relationships before. I am not staying in this one.

Goodness, that's powerful.

And as I said I am now JH follower but thing she has set out the dilemma for women really well.

And why I picked out the paragraphs about how there comes time when being nice and genteel and apologetic just has to end.

How dare men tell us we dont have the right to be angry.

And as the article says:

Isn’t it the case that incandescent rage splattered over social media gathers the attention of politicians in a way that a privately furrowed brow and a stern letter does not?

Lets all be JKR or even KJK and go on being so until men understand they cant just assume that in the end we will just meekly give in and be good girls and do what we are told.

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