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ArabellaScott · 21/04/2024 19:51

'...if the Bute House agreement seemed a match made in progressive heaven, it has turned into a moral and political hellhole which, perhaps uniquely in the history of such arrangements, threatens both parties. ...

'Harvie faces what is effectively a confidence vote at an extraordinary general meeting of his party next month.

'...the most enduring Green policy bùrach has surely been the Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill. This was a law to allow 16-year-olds to change legal sex by declaration without any medical intervention or guidance. Some might argue it was more Sturgeon’s policy than the Greens, and she certainly embraced the trans agenda with reckless alacrity — and suffered the blowback before she resigned. But the bill was always said to be the Green Party “red line” for remaining in the Bute House deal.
Vetoed by the UK government, the bill is effectively dead following the scandal of trans rapists such as Isla Bryson being placed in a women’s prison. But Harvie clearly isn’t minded to bury the trans agenda. On the BBC he repeatedly refused to accept the scientific validity of the Cass report on gender services or the banning of puberty blockers.
Visibly angry, he suggested to the presenter Martin Geisler that Dr Hilary Cass, one of Britain’s leading paediatricians, is part of a transphobic “culture war”.
Indeed, the Green leader seemed significantly more indignant about Cass and puberty blockers than about broken climate promises. Harvie’s LGBT wing, the Rainbow Greens, have accused Cass of “social murder”.'

Hilary Cass: I can’t travel on public transport after gender report

Author of landmark review into transgender treatment tells of online abuse and her dismay at disinformation spread by, among others, a Labour MP

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hilary-cass-i-cant-travel-on-public-transport-any-more-35pt0mvnh

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turbonerd · 21/04/2024 20:45
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Is this the Scotland Greens?

LlynTegid · 21/04/2024 20:48

Scottish Green Party members are to be given a vote on the issue. If they decide to leave the SNP have said they will run a minority government. So we will then know the real SNP or at least the real SNP executive.

MarieDeGournay · 22/04/2024 10:48

Meanwhile, in a country far far away, Caroline Lucas, the only Green MP at Westminster, does a wide-ranging interview about politics without mentioning the T word at all.. will it figure in her forthcoming book?
BTW when I saw the headline 'They're patronising, arrogant...Caroline Lucas..' I thought for one brief moment it was a critique of the Greens! silly me.
‘They’re patronising, arrogant …’ Caroline Lucas on fighting the Tories, leading the Greens and leaving parliament | Caroline Lucas | The Guardian

pontefractals · 22/04/2024 11:00

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 18/04/2024 20:42

No hyperbole here at all!

This is absolutely disgraceful, on so many levels. Apart from anything else, I'd like them to read some history. They could start with accounts of some of the things that happened in WW2 death camps, where people definitely were being genocided and where the adults around them, who knew what was going on, tried as far as they could to protect them and to give them some tiny sense of safety. People ran brownie units and choirs in camps, and gave lessons. Because that is what adults do around scared children, we try to protect and to mitigate; we do NOT try to increase their sense of fear and hopelessness.

Madcats · 22/04/2024 11:00

Listening to Patrick Harvie refuse to answer Nick Robinson's question about the Cass report 5 times this morning I get the feeling the Green MSPs will have to be dragged kicking and screaming from their ministerial offices and salaries.

"No debate" has been replaced by "just witter on and hope the presenter cuts short the interview".

fromorbit · 23/04/2024 01:17

Oh dear ! Looks like someone screwed up. Did they actually start reading the Cass Report? Just posted

Wings Over Scotland
It appears that the leadership of the Scottish Greens have deleted ALL their tweets about the Cass Review.

Patrick Harvie, Lorna Slater, Maggie Chapman and Ross Greer's accounts have, as far as I can tell, been wiped clear of all references to Cass.

https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/1782555275636981807

https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/1782555275636981807

SaffronSpice · 23/04/2024 07:40

I wonder if that is in response to Dawn Butler having to retract her lie in parliament and Stonewall ‘admitting’ they hadn’t read Cass when they issued a statement trying to discredit it. Perhaps they realised there was a flaw in their plan to just regurgitate activist speech - it becomes too plain that is all they are doing.

EasternStandard · 23/04/2024 07:42

fromorbit · 23/04/2024 01:17

Oh dear ! Looks like someone screwed up. Did they actually start reading the Cass Report? Just posted

Wings Over Scotland
It appears that the leadership of the Scottish Greens have deleted ALL their tweets about the Cass Review.

Patrick Harvie, Lorna Slater, Maggie Chapman and Ross Greer's accounts have, as far as I can tell, been wiped clear of all references to Cass.

https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/1782555275636981807

Brilliant

Madcats · 23/04/2024 09:25

Oh to have been a fly on the wall at the Cass meetings this weekend.

Certainly on X, the "this report is rubbish" protestations did all sound rather similar.

The Scottish green yoof aren't going to be happy, are they.

BezMills · 23/04/2024 09:45

The Scottish Greens and their parliamentary group are past their sell-by date. Like a bag of pre-washed italian salad that slipped down the side of the fridge and was discovered 3 months later.

CocoapuffPuff · 23/04/2024 09:53

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 18/04/2024 20:54

🍿Wowie zowie.

I wonder if they're now getting the kind of threats JKR has been subjected to?

Now that WOULD be interesting to know.

Madcats · 23/04/2024 10:00

Journo Gina Davidson on X is suggesting that Ash Regan MSP is lodging a vote of no confidence motion in Patrick Harvie at Holyrood this morning (it needs signatures of 25 MPs for there to be a debate).

IcakethereforeIam · 23/04/2024 10:02

Can I identify as an MP, just for today?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/04/2024 10:42

The Scottish Greens and their parliamentary group are past their sell-by date. Like a bag of pre-washed italian salad that slipped down the side of the fridge and was discovered 3 months later.

That's the best description of them I've ever heard!

SaffronSpice · 23/04/2024 10:58

Madcats · 23/04/2024 10:00

Journo Gina Davidson on X is suggesting that Ash Regan MSP is lodging a vote of no confidence motion in Patrick Harvie at Holyrood this morning (it needs signatures of 25 MPs for there to be a debate).

Unfortunately I doubt she would be successful. SNP MSPs would be whipped and Lib Dem’s would probably vote for him too (plus Greens of course)

Geebray · 23/04/2024 10:59

This is all so lovely to watch 🍿

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SaffronSpice · 23/04/2024 12:01

To be fair. I also have no confidence in Lorna Slater either.

Newnamesameoldlurker · 23/04/2024 12:05

GCITC · 18/04/2024 20:50

You'd think the Greens line in the sand would be the scrapping of greenhouse gas emission targets.

Alas providing teenagers with opposite sex hormones is more important than saving the world.

This!! It's so upsetting. I really, really care about climate change and its so awful that the party who are supposed to be doing the most on this are getting distracted by all this stupid trans stuff. They need to focus on their primary mission.

SaffronSpice · 23/04/2024 12:07

If anything, environmentalists should be against ALL artificial hormones due to their environmental impact.

Geebray · 23/04/2024 12:07

Newnamesameoldlurker · 23/04/2024 12:05

This!! It's so upsetting. I really, really care about climate change and its so awful that the party who are supposed to be doing the most on this are getting distracted by all this stupid trans stuff. They need to focus on their primary mission.

It's fairly clear that this is their primary mission now.

Thelnebriati · 23/04/2024 12:13

Previous generations put a lot of time and money into building a political party. Is there any chance they'll split, and the Greens can get back to caring about the environment? <hopeful>

justasking111 · 23/04/2024 12:23

Geebray · 23/04/2024 12:07

It's fairly clear that this is their primary mission now.

How did it come to this 🙈

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