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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The absolute brass neck of Ruth Hunt

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Rainbowshit · 13/04/2024 10:00

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fe117e6b-0b9b-4157-aeb6-23ad2f88e6ba?shareToken=309d7a26354dc115f9ce038238e47473

No. You're not going to get to rewrite history.

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tobee · 13/04/2024 13:34

CranfordScones · 13/04/2024 13:25

We need a full public enquiry in to the way organisations like Stonewall infiltrated public bodies. Anyone know of a petition so we can get a parliamentary debate on the issue?

Yes. However, I think Stonewall propaganda has been embedded into so many schools, nhs, government, public bodies etc that people don't see their influence clearly. The damage! And exactly as intended!

ArabellaScott · 13/04/2024 13:35

Rainbowshit · 13/04/2024 10:32

'Today Hunt says that, as a lesbian herself, “I’ve always been deeply concerned about the internalised homophobia that is going on for young women that means they think they can’t be a dyke, and they’ve got to be a boy.”

I'm so angry. The absolute nerve.

Un fuckingbelievable. The cynicism. I cannot abide liars who lie out of blatant attempts to save their own skin.

Sleekit, Ruth. You are sleekit.

'“I can’t speak for what Stonewall did after I left, that’s important to me to emphasise'

Is it, aye? Watch as they all throw each other under the bus.

DialSquare · 13/04/2024 13:36

Feckedupbundle · 13/04/2024 13:33

I'm quite enjoying all these chickens ( or should it be capons?) coming home to roost.
Every single person of influence who cheer leadered children being mutilated and sterilised needs to be held to public account.

Capons - Pro Op
Cockerels - Pre Op

WarriorN · 13/04/2024 13:45

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Blistering thread from Dennis Kavanagh

maltravers · 13/04/2024 13:48

it looks as though the weasels are turning on each other - good news if we want this monstrous period to end quickly, IMO.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/04/2024 13:48

ResisterRex · 13/04/2024 13:12

Never forget that when the paedophile / safeguarding scandal about Aimee Challenor emerged from the Greens and with all the written evidence about Aimee's lack of understanding about safeguarding, Stonewall openly gave Aimee a job on their "Trans Advisory Group" that "worked" with schools.

That's how little Stonewall cared about safeguarding children

ArabellaScott · 13/04/2024 13:53

God this is a chilling sentence, from Dennis Kavanagh's thread:

'a generation of lesbians were maimed by this evil. 89% of Tav girl patients were same sex attracted.'

WarriorN · 13/04/2024 13:56

I've seen some posts saying RH should be removed from HoL and replaced with various other women.

When you really look at what happened, as Dennis Points out below, she should be prosecuted.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 13/04/2024 13:58

WarriorN · 13/04/2024 13:45

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Blistering thread from Dennis Kavanagh

Dennis absolutely on fire there.

ArabellaScott · 13/04/2024 14:00

Rainbowshit · 13/04/2024 10:32

'Today Hunt says that, as a lesbian herself, “I’ve always been deeply concerned about the internalised homophobia that is going on for young women that means they think they can’t be a dyke, and they’ve got to be a boy.”

I'm so angry. The absolute nerve.

Liar, liar, liar!

WickedSerious · 13/04/2024 14:04

ArabellaScott · 13/04/2024 13:35

Un fuckingbelievable. The cynicism. I cannot abide liars who lie out of blatant attempts to save their own skin.

Sleekit, Ruth. You are sleekit.

'“I can’t speak for what Stonewall did after I left, that’s important to me to emphasise'

Is it, aye? Watch as they all throw each other under the bus.

They're going to need more buses.

FlakyPoet · 13/04/2024 14:06

I am winded by her utter nerve.

Needmoresleep · 13/04/2024 14:09

The good thing is that Whittle, Hunt and all are not arguing with Cass' conclusions.

Still utterly appalling that they kept their heads in the sand for so long. Those poor damaged children. Those traumatised families. And so much more. Practically our entire society was captured from M&S to the police. Are they going to say now that it never happened.

ArabellaScott · 13/04/2024 14:09

FlakyPoet · 13/04/2024 14:06

I am winded by her utter nerve.

It's gobsmacking, isn't it?

When someone has revealed themself repeatedly over time as a bad faith, manipulative charlatan, it shouldn't be a shock when they continue to lie and attempt to manipulate the narrative and rewrite history.

But somehow it is.

maltravers · 13/04/2024 14:14

Rainbowshit · 13/04/2024 10:32

'Today Hunt says that, as a lesbian herself, “I’ve always been deeply concerned about the internalised homophobia that is going on for young women that means they think they can’t be a dyke, and they’ve got to be a boy.”

I'm so angry. The absolute nerve.

Yes, I see. And as head of Stonewall what did you do about this “deep concern”? Promote the transition of lesbians to transboys anyway apparently.

Igmum · 13/04/2024 14:16

It's absolutely bare faced isn't it? Still, I suppose if you can say TWAW you get plenty of practice in ridiculous lies.

RedToothBrush · 13/04/2024 14:18

There's a few things here for me.

The first is how there is suddenly this desire to throw others under the bus to avoid accountability and to provide others as targets.

That suggests both fear of liability and reputational damage are real.

I'm curious as to where that heads and whether Stonewall has breeched charity law in terms of it's liabilities along the way. I don't quite know how that works in terms of trustees and CEOs on individual levels. Certainly if you had paid a pile of money for training only to be seeing a whole load of this, would you be minded to challenge and whether there is legal recourse. If you have spent a fortune on this only to realise at this point you could put yourself at risk of you continue with current practice and have to restrain staff there's a few question marks for me. Did Stonewall act negligently or fraudulently? I dunno. But there's certainly question marks for me.

So my second point is about where this is headed and could it head? Who could take action?

I think that's the significance of the reverse ferret. The sheer nervousness of it and the backside covering.

There is an acknowledgement that something gross happened on her watch despite her protests.

In answer to whether it was on Ruth Hunt's watch that Stonewall changed their definition of homosexual to replace sex with gender, the answer is yes. I've been banging on about it since 2018/19. A very quick search of MN and can find at least one post of mine that is dated April 2019 which touches on it (theres another from 2018 which appears to do the same. I would have to do a bit of hunting to find the best /earliest example, but certainly we were discussing here from then).

They were legitimising this behaviour and outright attacks on lesbians in their policy because it's totally marginalised those who were making a point about being same sex attracted - which Ruth Hunt was responsible for by doing this.

She really can't pretend she wasn't a crucial actor in the mess of at least the last 6/7 years.

RedToothBrush · 13/04/2024 14:20

The rate of throwing others under the bus suggests that internal receipts to blame others for their conduct to deflect blame WILL surface... And it will be damning when they do.

OvaHere · 13/04/2024 14:28

WarriorN · 13/04/2024 13:45

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1779121310456578415.html

Blistering thread from Dennis Kavanagh

Brilliant thread from Dennis. It made me tear up a bit reading it. It's nothing I don't already know and haven't read a thousand times but somehow it hits differently in the cold light of the Cass Report.

OvaHere · 13/04/2024 14:29

RedToothBrush · 13/04/2024 14:20

The rate of throwing others under the bus suggests that internal receipts to blame others for their conduct to deflect blame WILL surface... And it will be damning when they do.

Absolutely. I'm certain there will be many leaked emails and DMs to come.

HermioneWeasley · 13/04/2024 14:31

Plasmodesmata · 13/04/2024 14:05

To Stephen - is this transphobia in thr room with us now?

BrownTableMat · 13/04/2024 14:31

Ruth Hunt was indeed the main reason Stonewall added the T (and then the rest of the alphabet) to LGB. Ben Summerskill, her predecessor, led Stonewall from 2003-2014 and always resisted pressure to do so.

When Ben left in 2014 Ruth was promoted from Head of Policy (if I recall correctly) to lead the organisation, and she very quickly reversed his decision and joined the T onto LGB and the rest, as they say…

So even leaving aside all the other reasons why her reverse ferret is utterly astonishing, SHE WAS ACTUALLY IN CHARGE OF STONEWALL WHEN IT DECIDED TO START CAMPAIGNING ON TRANS RIGHTS, reversing the much more sensible decision of her former boss to stick to LGB.

JustSpeculation · 13/04/2024 14:36

In a way, in the refusal to accept the responsibility for their own actions and judgments, these "we were just following the clinicians/best practice/the experts" claims are a form of the Nuremberg defence.

Keeprejoining · 13/04/2024 14:40

Plasmodesmata · 13/04/2024 14:05

Could someone explain to me, where the reverse ferret is in this article? I didn't really see any climb down from TMAM etc

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