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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The absolute brass neck of Ruth Hunt

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Rainbowshit · 13/04/2024 10:00

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fe117e6b-0b9b-4157-aeb6-23ad2f88e6ba?shareToken=309d7a26354dc115f9ce038238e47473

No. You're not going to get to rewrite history.

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FrancescaContini · 13/04/2024 10:53

Rainbowshit · 13/04/2024 10:32

'Today Hunt says that, as a lesbian herself, “I’ve always been deeply concerned about the internalised homophobia that is going on for young women that means they think they can’t be a dyke, and they’ve got to be a boy.”

I'm so angry. The absolute nerve.

Stonewall made money, lots of it, by encouraging schools to sign up to their Champions programme to peddle this shit to children thereby undoing decades of positive social progress.

I couldn’t agree more that a public inquiry needs to be held as soon as possible into their role in the damage caused to the physical and mental health of young people through the ideology they have so actively promoted.

WarriorN · 13/04/2024 10:55

Clearly just being LGB isn't as lucrative as T

Imnobody4 · 13/04/2024 10:59

From Nancy Kelley. Give me strength!

Great article by @sashabaker98 on the Cass Review 👇
https://x.com/Nancy_M_K/status/1778815256103420247?t=C_21FZva6oM10O3y4tq9qg&s=09

https://x.com/Nancy_M_K/status/1778815256103420247?s=09&t=C_21FZva6oM10O3y4tq9qg

Boiledbeetle · 13/04/2024 11:00

Bloody hell! Lying little so and so.

"She denied that she had ever supported “no debate”, adding: “I’m absolutely someone who has always been working in the middle ground, trying to build consensus.”

Hunt’s critics may contrast that position with her response in October 2018 to a petition asking Stonewall to acknowledge there was a conflict around transgender rights and sex-based women’s rights. She wrote: “We do not and will not acknowledge this. Doing so would imply that we do not believe that trans people deserve the same rights as others. We will always debate issues that enable us to further equality but what we will not do is debate trans people’s right to exist.”

So this is how it's going to play out? Lots of people going "we didn't mean that we meant this / We didn't say that or if we did you misunderstood what we actually meant. / It wasn't me officer!"

HornyHornersPinkyWinky · 13/04/2024 11:02

FFS sake where is the integrity in any of these people - can they really not take any responsibility for the lies they peddled?

WhereAreWeNow · 13/04/2024 11:03

I guess there was always going to be a reckoning and a lot of reverse ferreting but I never expected it to be quite as brazen as this! Bloody cheek of the woman.

viques · 13/04/2024 11:06

Worth remembering that Ruth Hunt worked for Stonewall from 2005 . She may say she isn’t responsible for policies after she left in 2019, but I think it is probably true to say that her fingerprints will be visible over many policies and agendas in the 14 years she was there.

nauticant · 13/04/2024 11:07

Imnobody4 · 13/04/2024 10:59

From Nancy Kelley. Give me strength!

Great article by @sashabaker98 on the Cass Review 👇
https://x.com/Nancy_M_K/status/1778815256103420247?t=C_21FZva6oM10O3y4tq9qg&s=09

Good quotes though:

https://twitter.com/Nancy_M_K/status/1778815256103420247/quotes

Abeona · 13/04/2024 11:07

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 13/04/2024 10:45

J’accuse….

Do you have a link for that photo? I want to send it to about a thousand people who have told me I'm a hateful bigot.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/04/2024 11:09

All credit to Stephanie Davies-Arai fromTransgender Trend who produced the guide for schools for and received so much hate from Stonewall - all because the guide promoted safeguarding children. Stonewall mounted a massive campaign against it.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/04/2024 11:14

A very insightful comment under that article quoting 2 sections from it:

"...campaigners sent out resource packs to schools in 2018 warning teachers that there was little medical evidence to support puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones...
The evidence-led approach advocated by the resource pack was sent out to thousands of schools by the pressure group Transgender Trend in February 2018. Much of its content has since been upheld by Dr Hilary Cass in her landmark review."

Compare and contrast:

"Stonewall directed teachers to its own “create a trans-inclusive school” course, which they could attend if they paid membership costs of £99 plus VAT".

The fight against trans-ideology has been fought and funded by volunteers who are passionate about the rights of women and children.

Winterborne74 · 13/04/2024 11:16

I’m struggling to process the shamelessness of it all. She seems willing to throw any of her (no doubt former) allies under the bus. If she’s not going to apologise, you’d think she’d maintain a dignified silence, but to flat out deny her responsibility in this while pointing the finger elsewhere is Post Office style corporate villainy.

FoodAnxiety · 13/04/2024 11:23

She is a liar. Like everyone else at Stonewall 🤷🏼‍♀️

mrshoho · 13/04/2024 11:26

Hopeful that she will be stripped of her peerage too.

FrancescaContini · 13/04/2024 11:33

mrshoho · 13/04/2024 11:26

Hopeful that she will be stripped of her peerage too.

🙏

allnewfor2024 · 13/04/2024 11:35

Hunt has noticed that the wind has changed direction. Kelley hasn’t.

MarieDeGournay · 13/04/2024 11:45

Un-bel-iev-able dishonesty, brass necks and bad faith 😠.
As a PP said, the internet never forgets, lets flood every phone-in, letters to editors, online fora, whatever, with incontrovertible proof that these people were dangerously wrong then, and shamelessly lying now.

LoobiJee · 13/04/2024 11:47

Screenshots seen by The Times reveal how Stonewall also pressurised local authority leaders to direct schools in their area to ignore the [Transgender Trend] advice. In its newsletter to school leaders, Warwickshire county council, wrote: “Please be aware … We have been asked by Stonewall to advise schools that this does not reflect good practice and is actively misleading around schools’ duties/role in supporting trans children and young people.” A similar warning was circulated by local authorities in Hertfordshire in June 2019.”

GenderBlender · 13/04/2024 11:49

That is the brassiest of brass necks indeed. Now she is worried about where all the butch lesbians have gone. It's not exactly a mystery is it.

EmpressaurusOfCats · 13/04/2024 11:54

Ruth Hunt is a liar & a traitor to lesbians. Stonewall knew exactly what happening to kids. And look what happened to Allison Bailey.

Snowypeaks · 13/04/2024 11:54

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/04/2024 11:14

A very insightful comment under that article quoting 2 sections from it:

"...campaigners sent out resource packs to schools in 2018 warning teachers that there was little medical evidence to support puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones...
The evidence-led approach advocated by the resource pack was sent out to thousands of schools by the pressure group Transgender Trend in February 2018. Much of its content has since been upheld by Dr Hilary Cass in her landmark review."

Compare and contrast:

"Stonewall directed teachers to its own “create a trans-inclusive school” course, which they could attend if they paid membership costs of £99 plus VAT".

The fight against trans-ideology has been fought and funded by volunteers who are passionate about the rights of women and children.

This is a detail, but also relates to the sheer effrontery of it - the Transgender Trend pack is a free resource, but you have to pay for your Stonewall course!

LoobiJee · 13/04/2024 11:56

As you say, unfortunate for her that the records of what she actually said are in the public domain.

But I suppose lobby groups - unlike those individuals (and institutions) covered by the Nolan principles - are free to repeatedly try to sell a pack of lies, if that gets them what they are lobbying for. Which makes it so important for those covered by the Nolan principles to do some actual research - and not simply cut and paste from lobby groups’ campaign materials, or adopt their campaign materials wholesale as their organisation’s policy.

“She denied that she had ever supported “no debate”, adding: “I’m absolutely someone who has always been working in the middle ground, trying to build consensus.”
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Hunt’s critics may contrast that position with her response in October 2018 to a petition asking Stonewall to acknowledge there was a conflict around transgender rights and sex-based women’s rights. She wrote: “We do not and will not acknowledge this. Doing so would imply that we do not believe that trans people deserve the same rights as others. We will always debate issues that enable us to further equality but what we will not do is debate trans people’s right to exist.”
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The trouble with that position, critics argued, was that therapists trying to explore whether a young person’s declaration that they were transgender might actually be the result of something else, such as trauma, abuse or homophobia, fell foul of these new boundaries.
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In October 2017 Hunt tweeted: “Transwomen are women. It’s the sticking point on both sides I’m afraid and won’t make for a very interesting debate.”
In an opinion piece for the Independent in November 2017, she branded people raising concerns about the rise in young lesbians believing that they were born in the wrong body, “as anti-trans campaigners” deploying a “cynical tactic” amid a “public bout of transphobia”

WarriorN · 13/04/2024 11:56

Jk helpfully reminding everyone that stonewall were indoctrinating nursery children

The absolute brass neck of Ruth Hunt
Winterborne74 · 13/04/2024 11:59

a liar & a traitor

She has come out as transtruth, and is exploring her position on the loyalty spectrum. She’s queering credibility.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/04/2024 12:00

Snowypeaks · 13/04/2024 11:54

This is a detail, but also relates to the sheer effrontery of it - the Transgender Trend pack is a free resource, but you have to pay for your Stonewall course!

It'a toxic combination of grifting and free government cash no matter how dodgy or dangerous your message is. The knowledge that the tax payer has funded Stonewall and all the trans activist groups to the tune of millions over the years is so depressing. With the nation's children and young people paying the sacrifice with the loss of their long term health and futures.

I can't see any other solution other than to jail people who've behaved like this. Instead this useless government gave Hunt a peerage.

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