News commentary on the Cass Report

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Thread to record where and when to find tv/radio commentary on the Cass report, so that it is easy for people to find it on catchup. If you’re listening/watching and it comes up, please record the channel/show and the time

www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/12/this-isnt-how-good-scientific-debate-happens-academics-on-culture-of-fear-in-gender-medicine-research

The Guardian highlights the heat that scientists feel for getting involved in any gender related research. One explains the hate comms they received for investigating the efficacy of puberty blockers. Another describes similar for their support of facilitating a trans identifying man to breastfeed. More sunlight.

Thanks for the LOJ link - the Cass deniers are around me, so I want to understand as much as possible about their interpretation.

I refer the Cass deniers to what the Editor in Chief of the BMJ has to say

Kamran Abbasi
@KamranAbbasi
Critics of the methodology of the systematic reviews that form the basis of the Cass Review are displaying their limited understanding of research methods and evidence based medicine — but that’s what got us into this mess in the first place

Full article
https://www.bmj.com/content/385/bmj.q837

@GreenUp This "Some guy" description made me laugh so much. The "some guy" is Owen Jones spouting his usual bollocks

Hahaha!! YouTuber Owen Jones strikes again.

Oooh, I’ve heard of LOJ, but only here. Have to say that ‘in the wild’ he matches up to FWR descriptions remarkably well!

How have you missed little oj? He's been annoying me regularly for more than a decade! He wrote a book called chavs about demonising working class people. Probably the last half decent thing he did.

This just put on youtube is interesting:

It's from a US publication called The Hill which provides reports about stories in the news by balancing contributions from progressives and conservatives. So in this report you have presenters from each side examining the Cass Review report.

The progressive Jessica Burbank appears to be in a massive sulk, and apart from sniping at the report, indirectly accuses Hilary Cass of transphobia and at one point makes a below-the-radar slur that Cass is anti-vax. Zero evidence, but she gets it out there. The conservative presenter seems willing to engage and in most cases deals nicely with the shit being thrown by Burbank.

Apologies for the disruption but I cannot let LOJ’s backstory from his pass by without noting this particularly awful moment:

(he uses being a ‘cis gay’ as a progressive stack shield against accusations of misogyny)

’Little’ Owen Jones is also known as ’Sanctimonious Morph’ and ‘The British Talcum X’

(the OG/American Talcum X is Shaun King)

Wow! I've never seen that before. He really is disgusting.

Just wanted to add that Julia Hartley Brewer on Talk Radio has been consistently excellent on this issue for a long time. It's GLORIOUS watching her correct pp who use wrong sex pronouns or who say TWAW!

Keira Bell: Gender clinic used me as an experiment, I want justice

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/93280ebb-13b3-49e3-8d4a-13f4b9971fbd?shareToken=0ef54db2007d56706fd3f462b8b00ff0

I've been wondering how Keira has been feeling this week in light of the report. As she explains in this interview it's been difficult with a lot of mixed emotions.

I'm glad she's pointing out that this is not yet justice. She's right that all these clinicians have been able to move on, taking other NHS positions and in some cases starting again with the new satellite clinics. Incredibly Polly Carmichael is to head up the one linked to Great Ormond Street.

The breakout of common sense and reality this week really wouldn't have been possible without Keira's bravery. I very much hope she can find the inner peace she deserves one day.

Adding this BBC Wales article to this thread too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv20l497xvjo

The BBC really don't do these young people any favours when they showcase their incessant demands for validation over a sober analysis of the harm visited on the young from unevidenced experimental healthcare.

Janice Turner in the Times:

All mention of Cass conspicuously missing on HIGNFY tonight.

I think it’s filmed on a Thursday. Infuriating but not surprising.

Last week, or maybe the week before, Radio 4 relaunched a discussion programme called Free Thinking. They made sure that this week to have on a transwoman, Sophie Grace Chappell to talk about gender identity (but specifically not "gender ideology" because Chappell thinks we're stupid to use that terms when it's effectively meaningless). The panel all nodded along with Chappell's profound thoughts.

The BBC is full of people who are starting to suffer from Onoda's Syndrome.

That appearance by LOJ on Adrian Chiles’ show earlier on is like Jones Bingo, isn’t it?

✔No trans voices are being heard (after Adrian Chiles made the point that we’d heard from trans women but no trans men)

✔ The way people talk about trans people is the same as people talked about gay people in the 80s (when Jones was still in nappies)

✔ Detranstition rates are very low at <1%: (Were these detranstitioners male or female, Owen? And at what age did they transtition? How big was the study? Nobody knows, because the data is weak to non-existent! That’s the big problem that Cass highlighted! Get with it, Owen.)

✔ Hardly anyone is getting puberty blockers any way, it’s not happening! (Erm…Keira Bell?)

Also: having the ABSOLUTE CHUTZPAH to go on the BBC to say that an experienced and eminent paediatrician and the experts she appointed weren’t doing their jobs properly.

Why is he still relevant?

In my post above, I did Kate Maltby a real disservice. She's on Free Thinking and while it was the men in the discussion who thought Chappell to be very profound about what it was to have a feminine gender soul, Maltby just now, very politely, said she thought it was all a load of cobblers.

That's a good article from Janice. It highlights the potential pitfalls still to come and that this review whilst very welcome doesn't resolve everything overnight.

It’s on Any Questions https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001y2xx from about 33:50
Question: Given the harm caused by polarised views, as highlighted in the Cass Report, what role does government have in protecting young people?

Bit anodyne, I thought.

The question and the responses on Any Questions was interesting. The question was framed as the "toxic debate", ie the "both sides" problem, but some of the responses saw through that, and engaged with the actual point, which Hilary Cass has frustratingly obscured by using the "toxic debate" term, that it was the chilling effect encountered by medical professionals who wanted to investigate the actual problems being experienced by young people.

The audience in Halifax were averse to hearing anything other than #bekind.

Here's an excellent thread from Transgender Trend detailing the relentless attempts from the BBC to push trans ideology at young children. They also note Tim Davies complete refusal to meet with them:

\https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1778856561512788433.html

https://twitter.com/Transgendertrd/status/1778856561512788433

Good.

Women are going to force accountability onto those who have been culpable.

Stephanie Davies Arai said, at least 10 years ago, when I first heard her, that she has yet to see a child say they are trans, who isn't either autistic, same-sex attracted, or suffering from past trauma.

Basically the Cass report in one sentence.

The Electoral Dysfunction podcast with Beth Rigby Ruth Davidson and Jess Philips towards the end strongly credits the work and persistence of 'mainly mums' in leading to the Cass Review, and Sajid Javid for how he set it up. (The episode title is 'The Grindr Honeytrap fall out')

The main news channels have dropped it like a stone it feels - we really need a statutory inquiry.

I've seen analogies with the post office scandal, very different obviously.