News commentary on the Cass Report

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Thread to record where and when to find tv/radio commentary on the Cass report, so that it is easy for people to find it on catchup. If you’re listening/watching and it comes up, please record the channel/show and the time

humanists, blow-hard podcasters and “fearless” radio stars

Fits Adam Rutherford, Robin Ince, James O'Brien

’ll allow myself the luxury of two names. First Ed Miliband, who in November 2017 devoted his Reasons to be Cheerful podcast to trans issues. Not only did he scorn all opponents of self-ID as “bonkers” but he invited on Dr Helen Webberley, the child hormone-prescribing doctor who ran a private clinic with her husband (who has been struck off the medical register).
I wrote to Miliband privately, linking to articles explaining the effect of her drug regime. “Of course I don’t believe in sterilising children!” thundered this condescending know-all.

One day I shall tell my great grandchild the story of how a bacon sandwich sacrificed itself for a nation. 😆

A doctor who prescribed puberty blockers to children as young as 12

She didn't just prescribe puberty blockers to children, she prescribed testosterone to a 12-year-old girl.

I was surprised she said Ed Milliband, mostly because I had entirely forgotten about him.

You know, I always slightly regretted not voting Labour when Ed Miliband was the leader. Now I don't.

This just came up on my YouTube feed. I don't usually listen to these guys but IIRC as New European journos, they're not the usual "urgh tainted by far-right cooties" sort that The Righteous like to dismiss without a second glance.

This is well worth listening too. They explicitly talk about how the both sideism stuff is bollocks “toxicity is heavily slanted on one side”

They set out what happened so clearly and objectively, thank you for posting this. I wish politicians would listen to this ‘For Dummies’ explanation rather than think they know it all already, which they don’t. (Not even Rishi Sunak, let alone Kier Starmer.)

One of the men here says about the tra/liberal movement about gender that they have “Fallen into the trap of thinking all progressive movements are the same. All progress is good.” ( My paraphrase.)
This does seem to be what has happened.

Your reminder that Eugenics was viewed as progressive at one point.

Spoiler: It wasn't. And lots of people were harmed. And thats why we now have medical ethics panels to consider human rights and poor practice.

Matt D'Ancona knows the score, Helen Joyce did an event with him a few years ago in which one of the other contributers harangued her and said she should not have been invited.

From 44 mins

One of the men here says about the tra/liberal movement about gender that they have “Fallen into the trap of thinking all progressive movements are the same. All progress is good.” ( My paraphrase.)

Mary Harrington has a thought-provoking book on that topic and an interview with Triggernometry.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Feminism-Against-Progress-Mary-Harrington/dp/1800752024

Good breakdown on Cass, MOU, UKCP, and conversion therapy by American psychotherapist (but based in the UK):

Article in The Critic addresses activist claims regarding the Cass Report.

https://thecritic.co.uk/correcting-casss-critics/

The Guardian Australia has an article, along the lines I predicted. TL-DR We do a really great holistic job, not like those stupid Pommies.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/apr/20/england-nhs-dr-hilary-cass-review-transgender-healthcare-impact-australia

The Victorian government is “fiercely proud” of its transgender health clinics, the state’s health minister has said in response to findings from a long anticipated review of gender-affirming care for young people in England.

Australian experts, including clinicians, politicians and peak medical bodies, spoken to by Guardian Australia all said the trans and gender-diverse care provided by states and territories is substantially different from that in England, and is based on holistic, best-practice care with various levels of assessments.

Guardian Australia understands neither New South Wales or Victoria have plans to make changes to puberty blocker prescribing or accessibility as a result of the Cass review.

Keep watching the medical insurance.

I hope the insurance gets them

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/20/doctor-hilary-cass-warned-of-threats-to-safety-after-vile-abuse-over-nhs-gender-services-review

"Referring to the online abuse she had received, she said: “There are some pretty vile emails coming in at the moment, most of which my team is protecting me from, so I’m not getting to see them.”
She added: “I’m not going on public transport at the moment, following security advice, which is inconvenient.”"

The Australian experts sound very smug about how much more evidence-based their "trans healthcare" is.

Obviously this must mean they have better information and higher quality research on puberty blockers, etc. than we Poms. Perhaps in the interests of "saving trans kid lives" or whatever, they ought to consider it their moral duty to share this superior information?

I wonder if there is a cultural divide opening up, between the drug-and-be-damned Anglophone countries on the one hand and the more cautious European countries on the other, leaving the UK and I guess maybe Ireland too in the middle, picking a side (I don't think this divide is restricted to trans issues actually.)

Trans rights theory came out of north America. The early indications out of Canada, Australia and NZ are that he Cass report won't encourage a change of approach. They are basically saying that puberty blockers for children represent an acceptable level of risk, and the reason for that must be that trans identity must be affirmed at all costs. I'm not suggesting I agree with this but I'm figuring out what they would say if they were on this thread.

(Edited to fix typo)

er, it had a load of the so called great and good supporting it (GB Shaw, Keynes, Sidney and Beatrice Webb, DH Lawrence, Emmeline Pankhurst, Balfour etc.) It made so far as the Mental deficiency act (1913) which aimed to segregate defectives. In Canada, Alberta actual sterilisation made it onto the statute books in 1928.

a bit more reading shows that the forced sterilisation of people in Canada was repealed in.......1973.

I think Red’s point was that Eugenics was not in fact the progressive thing it was first thought to be. That was my reading of her wording anyway..!

yeah, reading that again I think I got the wrong end of the stick. Doh!

‘Trans rights theory came out of north America. The early indications out of Canada, Australia and NZ are that he Cass report won't encourage a change of approach. They are basically saying that puberty blockers for children represent an acceptable level of risk, and the reason for that must be that trans identity must be affirmed at all costs. I'm not suggesting I agree with this but I'm figuring out what they would say if they were on this thread’’

They are trying to brazen it out but the Cass Review is scientifically not politically based so can be cited as sound evidence in a court of law anywhere in the world. I suspect they will not so brazen when the lawsuits start to roll in

Has this report been linked?

www.sundaypost.com/fp/puberty-blockers-children/?utm_source=twitter

Direct link being made between Scottish gov funding LGBTQ charities to support schools and rise in referrals to the Sandyford.

x.com/ladymcbeth2/status/1781796650123514217?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA