PCS - civil service union - and Unite - protest against women's rights event in Edinburgh

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Images from Susan Dalgety.

The event was of course 'Let Women Speak' at the mound.

Why were PCOS and Unite protesting against it?

https://twitter.com/DalgetySusan/status/1776588747368177981/photo/1

Your fixity constellates the opposite counter argument. But you know that which is why, presumably, you continue to post.

So, do you have any experience of being a union member at all?

What most teachers want out of a teaching union is not endless politicking and votes to strike, but protection when needed, for example, in circumstances of vexatious complaints by pupils or parents; or for internal disciplinary procedures and so on.

If you were critical of gender ideology in a union which has come out as pro gender - that is not going to give you much confidence of support when it came to, for example, the isues of pronouns in schools, or keeping pupil gender issues secret from parents, and so on.

Also, that poor teacher in West Yorkshire who is apparently still in hiding with his family after he was targeted by Islamists. He was, apparently, thrown under the bus by his union - because they were more concerned with protecting the sensitivities ( over sensitivities) of the Muslim community and the supposed reputation of the school.

I would encourage members of the PCS/NEU etc to think about the benefits they get out of being in such powerful unions and whether leaving is the most effective way to make a change.

What makes you assume they haven't thought of this? Do you think they are too stupid to consider such things?

What makes you think i think they haven't thought of this? Strange. I was just making a statement about what I think.

What most teachers want out of a teaching union is not endless politicking and votes to strike, but protection when needed, for example, in circumstances of vexatious complaints by pupils or parents; or for internal disciplinary procedures and so on.

If you were critical of gender ideology in a union which has come out as pro gender - that is not going to give you much confidence of support when it came to, for example, the isues of pronouns in schools, or keeping pupil gender issues secret from parents, and so on

Also, that poor teacher in West Yorkshire who is apparently still in hiding with his family after he was targeted by Islamists. He was, apparently, thrown under the bus by his union - because they were more concerned with protecting the sensitivities ( over sensitivities) of the Muslim community and the supposed reputation of the school.

Exactly @RebelliousCow . To say nothing of the way Kathleen Stock was thrown to the wolves by her union.

Your statement of what you think clearly states that you believe members of said unions who are considering leaving haven't got the wit to think about said benefits.

Your childish, hyperbolic let's just get rid of all unions just confirms it.

Yes. Worked public sector before, was a member then (Unison).
I didn't need to actively use the union because they just did all the pay negotiations etc and the fact they were there stopped some of the more egregious workplace issues I've seen in private sector. For example, everyone knew you could approach them for advice and support with grievances if you were a member.

That was me deliberately strawmanning what various people on FWR come across to me like when they start talking about capture etc.

You can ignore it or try to burn it down.

You can engage with my point about who benefits if females leave big unions for not being GC enough, or you can make personal attacks. Up to you.

I was with Unison (in a different sector) and did have to use them (with a group of other workers) and they were appalling to the point of telling outright lies.

You can engage with my point about who benefits if females leave big unions for not being GC enough, or you can make personal attacks. Up to you.

It is not about unions being GC enough it is about them being actively anti GC. How are women benefiting from being members of these big unions at the moment?

I have not made any personal attacks on you@AdamRyan, I questioned your response to the reasoned and reasonable posts in response to yours, your excuse that it was this:

That was me deliberately strawmanning what various people on FWR come across to me like when they start talking about capture etc.

I am not buying it.

Why is anyone surprised that unions are anti women? They have never supported women's rights, just ask the Dagenham women .

And I see you've got my reply to you deleted, all the confirmation I need, thanks.

Sorry, I don't understand what you were trying to say? Typo?

MN don't delete posts that don't break guidelines. Maybe you should reconsider how you respond to people.

Maybe you should learn to take criticism.

Do you also think that the Unions represented at that protest will condemn the appalling homophobic signs being carried by some of their fellow protesters? Personally, I won't hold my breath.

All of them!
The unions deal with their pay negotiations for them so women aren't having to negotiate their own pay individually, something that doesnt usually work in women's favour. The unions (hopefully) are enough of a threat to massively reduce the risk of outright discrimination against women; if it happens the union will support class actions and other legal responses. The legal advice is there - that's very expensive to pay for if you aren't in a union.

Women who leave their TU to "make a stand" are potentially shooting themselves in the foot. Its not like leaving the Labour Party.

Women who leave their TU to "make a stand" are potentially shooting themselves in the foot.

That's their choice, isn't it?

Of course. But like all choices, needs to be informed. Sometimes people do stupid things thinking they are "taking a stand". When really they are just harming themselves.

Surely the unions should ask themselves why women would be leaving them? Why women don't have confidence in them?

So you do think the women leaving the unions aren't smart enough to make that decision. You don't think they are doing it because they know damn well the union would throw them under the bus as they did with Kathleen Stock should they find themselves in a similar situation to her.