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PCS - civil service union - and Unite - protest against women's rights event in Edinburgh

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ArabellaScott · 06/04/2024 18:00

Images from Susan Dalgety.

The event was of course 'Let Women Speak' at the mound.

Why were PCOS and Unite protesting against it?

https://twitter.com/DalgetySusan/status/1776588747368177981/photo/1

PCS - civil service union - and Unite - protest against women's rights event in Edinburgh
PCS - civil service union - and Unite - protest against women's rights event in Edinburgh
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ArabellaScott · 06/04/2024 18:01

PCS members in the comments threatening to leave.

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DuesToTheDirt · 06/04/2024 18:10

Women? Speaking? Outrageous, whatever next!

Waitwhat23 · 06/04/2024 18:29

So Unite, as well as being spectacularly shite as a union, are also anti women. Very glad I'm no longer a member.

ArabellaScott · 06/04/2024 18:31

It's one thing to have a 3rd rate drag act and the 'WITCH' shouter there. But quite another to have adults apparently representing serious organisations.

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StainlessSteelMouse · 06/04/2024 18:37

Unsurprised to see PCS there. They often seem to be much more interested in political sloganeering than members' interests.

More disappointed to see Unite. Sharon Graham has been doing a lot of good - and pissing off lots of activists - by trying to turn them back towards a focus on members' pay and conditions.

Cancelledcurio · 06/04/2024 18:39

Husband is a rep and saying he is leaving. Appalling. Bunch of w*nkers.

Daisymay2 · 06/04/2024 18:43

Pretty appalled by unite. I need to think about leaving.
I was impressed by Sharon Graham and her focus on employment issues not power broking in the Labour Party. Now I’m not so sure.

ArabellaScott · 06/04/2024 18:45

I'd encourage members to check first- it could be they were actually there in support of women's rights. Or something.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/04/2024 18:49

ArabellaScott · 06/04/2024 18:45

I'd encourage members to check first- it could be they were actually there in support of women's rights. Or something.

I'm sure they were there to support women's rights. We're often told that any organisation rocking up at LWS events is allied with and represents LWS? Isn't that how it works?
(sarcasm alert)

Reddog1 · 06/04/2024 18:51

I’d prefer unions to focus on salary and t&c for their members tbh. And casework for dismissals and grievances etc. I think that’s what members probably want.

lonelywater · 06/04/2024 20:28

ArabellaScott · 06/04/2024 18:31

It's one thing to have a 3rd rate drag act and the 'WITCH' shouter there. But quite another to have adults apparently representing serious organisations.

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Correction-"once serious organisations". We have been living through a real time re enactment of that film "invasion of the body snatchers", where, without realising it until its too late, people and institutions which were previously reliable have been taken over by the virus of gender woo. think it will be at least 5 years before this nonsense will be put in the bin.

orangegato · 06/04/2024 20:40

Embarrassed for PCS. It’s like they want fewer members.

Toseland · 07/04/2024 00:11

That Telegraph article is really lazy; the women were not marching.

AdamRyan · 07/04/2024 01:06

Why so many threads about unions today? This and the NEU one? Is there some kind of issue with unions on FWR or is it a coincidence?

AdamRyan · 07/04/2024 01:08

Sorry, tell a lie there are 3 Confused

DrJump · 07/04/2024 01:25

I don't know about the UK but in Australia the union movement has fucking thrown women under the bus. Including making sure men can access maternity leave at the expense of mothers. I can even begin to tell you how disappointing being a left wing feminist is at the moment.

Datun · 07/04/2024 05:16

Definite shift in the comments there. Much blunter, angrier, uncompromising.

LoobiJee · 07/04/2024 09:24

AdamRyan · 07/04/2024 01:06

Why so many threads about unions today? This and the NEU one? Is there some kind of issue with unions on FWR or is it a coincidence?

NEU has just held its annual conference and decided which issues it’s going to be campaigning on in the run up to the election and its press team has issued press notices publicising these decisions as part of launching that campaign activity.

Unsurprsingly - given that NEU is a teachers union - at least two of those motions affect pupils (and therefore their parents).

But it’s quite the mystery why a discussion forum called Mumsnet would take an interest in teachers campaigning on issues affecting children. I wonder what possible reason there could be?

SinnerBoy · 07/04/2024 09:30

AdamRyan · Today 01:06

Why so many threads about unions today? This and the NEU one? Is there some kind of issue with unions on FWR or is it a coincidence?

Because they're different unions, doing similar things, in different circumstances?

Helleofabore · 07/04/2024 09:40

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/04/2024 18:49

I'm sure they were there to support women's rights. We're often told that any organisation rocking up at LWS events is allied with and represents LWS? Isn't that how it works?
(sarcasm alert)

This is so very true!

I can now only ever assume that those yelling loudly and using instruments to drown out the voices of women are doing so in celebration of the women speaking. That they cannot contain their excitement is why they are accidently drowning out the women’s voices.

Runor · 07/04/2024 09:48

Adam, I’d guess several unions are, at the same time, ramping up support for behaviours likely to be damaging for women and children. I wonder why several unions are doing this at the same time? It’s a conspiracy 😱…… or maybe there’s a general election coming?

RebelliousCow · 07/04/2024 09:52

AdamRyan · 07/04/2024 01:06

Why so many threads about unions today? This and the NEU one? Is there some kind of issue with unions on FWR or is it a coincidence?

The NEU ( formerly the NUT) leadership have always been radical agitators....always bolshie and politicking in the staffroom.

At last year's Labour party conference there was a conspicuous number of UNISON members screaming abuse at women who had gathered to speak.

Many people who go into leadership positions in unions see the unions as a route to a political career and so these roles tend to attract the most ideologically and politically motivated. They are usually far more radical and bolshie than most of the membership.

My father used to be an engineering union shop steward. He saw his role as a mediator between workers and management - but there were always others, though, who just wanted permanent aggro and revolution.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/04/2024 10:02

AdamRyan · 07/04/2024 01:06

Why so many threads about unions today? This and the NEU one? Is there some kind of issue with unions on FWR or is it a coincidence?

Working women are in unions. Politically savvy women are interested in what unions say. Mothers are interested in what a teaching union is saying about breaching safeguarding legislation.

Do you think there should be a limit on how many threads about unions are allowed on here?

AnotherAngryAcademic · 07/04/2024 10:20

On Twitter it also says UCU were there - but there aren’t any pictures of them. (Or no pictures that I can see at the moment. It seems feasible though, given UCU behaviour in the past.)

Does anyone know of a wiki or similar resource of union position on this issue? Or perhaps a thread with a list? I’m currently a member of two unions as my work is interdisciplinary, but I am not especially impressed with either. Employment rights are for everyone. Even people we disagree with. Even people we don’t like. Or perhaps especially people we disagree with and don’t like. I’m not looking for “a GC union” - just one that won’t decide not to support me in a workplace dispute because my views on something are at odds with union leadership’s views. I think the broader principle here is very important.

Anyway, if anyone is aware of a curated list I would be grateful for a link. If there isn’t a list, I will try and get one started 😊

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