KjK "insane rant" thread 2

[AdamRyan]

First thread filled up just as it was getting interesting

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5036512-kjks-insane-rant

So let's keep it going. My characterisation if the two basic positions are:

1)KJK is a stone cold legend, haters gonna hate but many women will give her cash to bathe in champagne

2. KJK is taking right wing positions for clicks and cash, most recently criticising a doctors conference to stay relevant.

Happy to discuss further. There are some particular posts I want to respond to which I will c&p below

Noone got any comment about what KJK is doing to Rosie Duffield then? Is Rosie only worth supporting when she's being politically useful I.e. People can use her to bash Labour?

Silence speaks volumes.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I didn't actually limit it to "emerging fascism"

I'm aware. I did, though.

This Caolan Robertson? The one who called JK Rowling a ‘Putrid Cunt’?

Yeah. He's awful. He was a director for lots of far right youtubers and knows how to drive up clicks.

That's precisely why I found his article so interesting and relevant.

Are you "purity spiralling"? Have we found the limit? What would you do if KJK hired him to edit her videos?

I thought he worked for the left wing Byline Times?
https://bylinetimes.com/

(fired now due to calling JK a cunt?)

Nope, I love Triggerpod. No purity spiralling from me, just surprised to see a man who called JK a cunt recommend as a source on FWR - perhaps you are correct and this place is very different without KJK and Dittany?

He does now yes, after spending time doing far right work.

He's an interesting character. If you combine what he says about YouTube with what Laura Bates said in her book, and the research into YouTube algorithms you start to understand why "influencers" like KJK or Colin Wright post the stuff they do. It gets the algorithm to send them viewers, increasing their reach and helping them to achieve whatever goal it is they are hoping for (could be spreading the word, could be 🤑).

The only way it works is if people argue. So I'm not doing it.

Colin Wight is a witness in Tickle V Giggle.

Funny that you’ve decided he’s an ‘influencer’, even The Graun give him the courtesy of calling him a Biologist.

https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/apr/09/roxanne-tickle-giggle-for-girls-app-blocked-trans-woman-alleged-discrimination

😂No, the way you are reacting is as I'd expect. Funny what triggers it though! That's the bit that's changed.

MPs supporting stripping womens abortion rights and wanting us barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, fine. Activists who take money from organisations who are also funding Trump's election campaign, fine. Far right people spreading anti-Muslim hate, fine. We should listen to all these people and anyone who doesn't is "virtue signalling" and driven by "ideological purity".

But let's not listen to this person explaining how the YouTube algorithm can be manipulated, because he has wrongthink. Cancel that one.

"I am also a Fellow at the manhattanist, where I work to influence policy surrounding "gender-affirming care." I write expert testimony for court cases around the United States and even internationally to defend biological reality."

"I ended up leaving academia, and now battle this harmful and pervasive pseudoscience full-time."

https://x.com/SwipeWright/status/1764440173977223398

Sounds like he's had a shit time. However he is an "evolutionary biologist" in the same way I am. He has a PhD in it, but its not his job now.

He says he's "influencing" and "battling". So I'd assume "influencer" is a fair enough term.

MPs supporting stripping womens abortion rights and wanting us barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, fine. Activists who take money from organisations who are also funding Trump's election campaign, fine. Far right people spreading anti-Muslim hate, fine. We should listen to all these people and anyone who doesn't is "virtue signalling" and driven by "ideological purity".

Who are you talking about? I have no clue what you are saying. You are so
confusing to converse with.

Are you an ‘influencer’, Adam?

Is Colin Wright actually being called? Helen Joyce was rejected because the judge said she lacked any expertise to appear as an expert witness.

Dunno, spent all of yesterday reading Cass, did anything happen in Tickle V Giggle?

@AdamRyan

He's an interesting character. If you combine what he says about YouTube with what Laura Bates said in her book, and the research into YouTube algorithms you start to understand why "influencers" like KJK or Colin Wright post the stuff they do. It gets the algorithm to send them viewers, increasing their reach and helping them to achieve whatever goal it is they are hoping for (could be spreading the word, could be 🤑).

That's exactly it. That's why you'll see Kellie-Jay re-tweet an awful post from someone like 'Dr Faushay' who constantly posts extreme conspiracy theories, but has a large reach. The clicks increase her reach and narrow her audience base to precisely the one she wants - or her financial backers want.

@KellieJaysLapdog

Who are you talking about? I have no clue what you are saying. You are so confusing to converse with.

I had no problem understanding it.

I thought as you've been on the thread since the start you'd been following. Apologies if I'm confusing.

I'll simplify:

Anyone who objects to KJK on the basis of CPAC funding, videos about QAnon links, nominating officer for her political party who is Trumpian and not female friendly, is "ideologically driven" and purity spiralling.

Anyone who objects to posters supporting CPAC, Reform or the UK Conservative party's messaging about women as mothers, anti abortion, low birth rates are a disaster is is "ideologically driven" and purity spiralling.

Anyone who questions GB news, right wing policy think tanks and Twitter/substacks by right wing influencers is "ideologically driven" and purity spiralling.

But objecting to Caolan Robertson as a source is somehow not "ideologically driven" and purity spiralling, its totally acceptable.

It is inconsistent.

That's why I've given up trying.

Adam writes confusing posts which are easily misunderstood or totally unintelligible, but (deliberately?) misunderstands other people's much clearer posts.

I’ve only read this last page since I dropped out many pages back.

I don’t know what KJK is doing to Rosie Duffield.

Having seen the Cass report interpreted by some as meaning ‘let’s medically trans a few children, but be more careful which ones’ her
angst about the medic conference makes a bit more sense.

I don’t care what a variety of people are saying or doing. I lend my elbow to specific elements I agree with.

So I will agree with KJK about a lot of things and disagree with her about a lot of things. As she mainly focuses on the thing we agree on, I will appear to be mainly agreeing.

Occasionally I agree with Laurence Fox and Nigel Farage. Would I vote for them? Not on your Nelly. Would I leave a pub they walked into? Absolutely.

If Posie stood in my area I’d need to look wider at her party and policies, to check it aligns more broadly with me than the other parties- none of which align with me.

I am content to recognise people can feel passionately about many things, some I’ll agree with and some I won’t.

I’m worried about Overton Windows which are being jammed open in all directions. That worry may translate now as being broadly conservative, whereas I used to be liberal.

To me, the above seems perfectly sensible. After 40 pages of arguing it’s clear that to you it does not.

My gut instinct is that this is about tribalism. You are steeped in a world where everyone is moving into or out of a tribe, and needs to be really careful they aren’t drawn in to an incorrect tribe.

That’s not my world view. I think people are much more complicated than that. Some people settle in a tribe, others circulate constantly dipping in and out. If I had a tribe, it would be ‘church’, but church is full of tribes and we circulate among them similarly.

@OldCrone

That's why I've given up trying.

Adam writes confusing posts which are easily misunderstood or totally unintelligible, but (deliberately?) misunderstands other people's much clearer posts.

So strange. I've not had a problem understanding Adam's posts. I perhaps think some have their own perceptions of an issue that they can't see past, and they do understand what is being said here but don't want to say so.

It's just another tactic to try and shut down debate which isn't of the "correct" vein.

So I will agree with KJK about a lot of things and disagree with her about a lot of things. As she mainly focuses on the thing we agree on, I will appear to be mainly agreeing.

Occasionally I agree with Laurence Fox and Nigel Farage. Would I vote for them? Not on your Nelly. Would I leave a pub they walked into? Absolutely.

If Posie stood in my area I’d need to look wider at her party and policies, to check it aligns more broadly with me than the other parties- none of which align with me.

I am content to recognise people can feel passionately about many things, some I’ll agree with and some I won’t.

I'm not sure that sentiment will compute with some of the posters on this thread.

I think there’s truth in that- we established earlier on that such differing world views allow scope for seeing and hearing what we are expecting rather than what is said.

However I’ve not managed to pry a clear statement out of OP and her supporters about what the issue is.

To me your argument appears to be that-
KJK must not be appreciated for the work she has done as she was working with other people at the time and is now working with the far right which means that if we appreciate her then we’ll be ushering in neo nazisim, and of course we don’t want that.

Well of course we don’t want that. When I suggest OP might be calling us right wing gulls, she says she isn’t.

So, are we intelligent enough to have an opinion which is shared by the majority of the population including the far right and avoid becoming far right?

I am. I worry that your fear of far right authoritarianism is leading you to fall into left wing authoritarianism.

The obvious answer, to me, is for me to accept you don’t intend to be authoritarian and will try and avoid being so, and for you to do me the same courtesy.

Seems so simple, but 40 pages later…

@pickledandpuzzled

I worry that your fear of far right authoritarianism is leading you to fall into left wing authoritarianism.

No need to worry - all good here, thanks.

KJK must not be appreciated for the work she has done as she was working with other people at the time and is now working with the far right which means that if we appreciate her then we’ll be ushering in neo nazisim, and of course we don’t want that.

That is not what I said.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I'm not sure that sentiment will compute with some of the posters on this thread.

Ironic.