KjK "insane rant" thread 2

[AdamRyan]

First thread filled up just as it was getting interesting

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5036512-kjks-insane-rant

So let's keep it going. My characterisation if the two basic positions are:

1)KJK is a stone cold legend, haters gonna hate but many women will give her cash to bathe in champagne

2. KJK is taking right wing positions for clicks and cash, most recently criticising a doctors conference to stay relevant.

Happy to discuss further. There are some particular posts I want to respond to which I will c&p below

Why bring him up if you don’t want to talk about him?

I think what a lot of people are calling "Far Right" in this day and age is rather hyperbolic.
What things do you mean? What things do you think are called far right but aren't really? What things are actually far right to you

If the left could take criticism, "far right" figures wouldn't be left to be the only ones to talk about things such as "Muslim/Pakistani grooming gangs"....That's also exactly how those grooming gangs were allowed to go on for so long.

This is exactly what I mean. You start from a position that "muslim grooming gangs" are a problem. There is no evidence of that, it's insidious racism that's seeped into public consciousness and is being played on by the far right. It is now so embedded in certain sectors people don't even recognise it for the kind of rhetoric it is.

Because he said something I found relevant to the point tinsel raised and I like to give my sources in case others are also interested?

I can go and try to find a more palatable source for you if you need that to engage with the point.

Jake Gyllenhall is one of my most longstanding crushes. Sexy husband + charming eccentric vibe. Has aged, but gracefully. I may be in the minority, but I think men's looks tend to drop off a cliff after 30-35. Keanu Reeves case in point. Still love him because he is such a sweet guy and he loves his mum!

Keane Reeves 😍I still would, though I might have to fight my eldest for him.

Apologies for the objectifying.

There’s no evidence for Muslim grooming gangs? Really?

KJK is an incredible woman who could smell the BS of MRAs and was not afraid to point this out over and over. Whilst many left leaning women were dancing around the issue trying to be nice (myself included) this strong woman simply said it how it was. She is someone along with other strong women who I believe has helped many Women see clearly how mysognistic men were destroying our rights and harming children.

I’ve always liked the weirdo actors best and wow are they aging badly!

This is exactly what I mean. You start from a position that "muslim grooming gangs" are a problem. There is no evidence of that, it's insidious racism that's seeped into public consciousness and is being played on by the far right. It is now so embedded in certain sectors people don't even recognise it for the kind of rhetoric it is.

@AdamRyan are you saying Muslim grooming gangs don't/have never existed? Because I've got a very close relative who would beg to fucking differ!

Yes really. Go find me some (reliable) evidence that Muslims are any more likely to be in grooming gangs than any other ethnicity. I'll wait.

This is the best I can do. Pretty interesting premise actually.

https://www.salon.com/2023/08/01/they-need-us-we-dont-need-them-the-fall-of-twitter-is-making-the-and-grifters-desperate/

Adam you can quickly Google and find the info you are having difficulty with.

No clearly I'm not saying that.
I believe (some) men are paedophiles and abusers who joins grooming gangs. The ethnicity is irrelevant.
It's easier for people to blame "those other men" and of course racists love it.

There is no evidence Muslims are more likely to be in grooming gangs than any other ethnicity. Meanwhile fake statistics get bandied about and the likes of KJK imply that somehow "the failure of the left" was responsible for Tommy Robinson.

I have done. There is no reliable evidence. The daily mail had to print a correction when Braverman said it in an article.

Your "references" will be the usual far right sources who "know the truth but are being shut down by the left". 😴

The evidence is in the news reports detailing the conviction of gangs of Muslim men (usually Pakistani) for the rape and abuse of girls over the last fifteen years or so.

It’s a known phenomenon. It isn’t Islamophobic to acknowledge that. Not all men who groom
and abuse girls are Muslim, and not all Muslims are abusers, just to be clear.

What else do you want to argue against? The earth being round? Bears shitting in the woods?

Edit: just noticed your neat little strawman about finding the evidence that says Muslim men are MORE LIKELY to abuse. When people talk of the existence of grooming gangs, no one is saying that. It’s so disingenuous of you to insert that.

For Adam
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/2/23/the-uks-grooming-gangs-and-the-lessons-never-learned

Grooming gangs exist wherever there are men. We all know it is not all or on Muslim men. But in areas where there is a high number of Muslim men then there will be grooming gangs. The problem in these predominantly northern towns was that authorities were hesitant to take action for fear of being labelled racist.

The evidence is in the news reports detailing the conviction of gangs of Muslim men (usually Pakistani) for the rape and abuse of girls over the last fifteen years or so.

And more specifically the repeated failures of the police to actually investigate those cases and the time it took to reach a conviction. Because of people saying things like "You start from a position that "muslim grooming gangs" are a problem. There is no evidence of that, it's insidious racism".

We are seeing here the very thing KJK was complaining about from someone attacking her for complaining about it.

No it's not. Just because people believe things, doesn't make them fact.

And yes it is islamophobic to call Muslims groomers when there is no evidence they are no more likely to be involved than any other ethnicity.

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2020/dec/analysis-new-home-office-report-admits-grooming-gangs-are-not-muslim-problem

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65174096.amp

And this is a case in point of why I think this board has gone right wing. Time was facts and reliable data was used to make assertions (e.g. trans women in jail disproportionate amount as sex offenders).

Now its all "my friend Becky said it happened and everyone knows lefties are captured and cover things up".

She is also right that children who believe they are the opposite sex will grow out of it , if they are left alone.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-024-02817-5

An opinion piece is not "evidence" and Bindel says:
Indeed, there are countless white, British-born men abusing girls and getting away with it in this country. In fact, the majority of child abusers in the UK are white men, most of whom are never reported to the authorities let alone prosecuted and jailed

I can find you plenty of opinion pieces saying the opposite. That's why the actual data is so important.

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She was saying that Tommy Robinson was a problem caused by "the left". Grooming gangs also a problem caused by "the left". As well as AGP men performing their fetish in public.

Maybe I'm too much of an old school radfem but I can see what the problem is here and it ain't "the left"

Here's an article in the Guardian. (Or is that far right as well now?)

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/21/amid-class-prejudice-and-sensitivities-over-race-rochdales-abused-girls-were-failed

The Rochdale rapists and traffickers were all of Pakistani or Afghan heritage, the victims white teenage girls, a pattern seen in many high-profile cases. Far-right groups have seized on this to portray gang-based CSE as a “Muslim” phenomenon created by mass immigration

The exploitation of these cases by the far right has made many liberals fearful of addressing the issue. In 2012, the writer Daniel Trilling observed how, “in seeking to prevent the growth of racism”, Rochdale officials had “tried to police debate”. A senior council officer told youth worker Mohammed Shafiq, who was trying to raise awareness within Muslim communities, that he was “doing the work of the BNP”. A 2022 report into CSE failures in Telford suggested that “nervousness about race” may have “led to a reluctance to act”.

And here's another in that filthy far right rag the Independent.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grooming-gangs-iicsa-racist-fears-b2007649.html

The fight against grooming gangs is still being hampered by authorities’ fears that they could be called racist for documenting abusers’ ethnicity, an official has said.

A damning report by the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) found child sexual exploitation continues in all parts of England and Wales, a decade after it became a national scandal.

The report said children were being abused “in the most degrading and destructive ways” amid “extensive failures by local authorities and police forces”.

John O’Brien, secretary to the inquiry, called for a “cultural change” to ensure that child sexual exploitation can be understood and prevented.

“We need to break the culture where people are worried that they might be accused of being racist just because they record factual information,” he told The Independent.

Official reports into abuse by grooming gangs have identified racism fears as an issue for almost a decade, but Mr O’Brien said cases seen for IICSA’s latest report were “very recent indeed”.

Why are you so obsessed with KJK "Adam"? Starting a second thread just to slag her off and anyone right of centre or who fails your purity test is pretty weird. I think people are better eating a nice cheese. I bought some Harbour Blue today.