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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Planet Fitness Trans Saga

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Queenmaker · 24/03/2024 20:29

Planet Fitness is a franchisor with 2.5k gyms in North America. A woman entered her local gym in Alaska to find a man standing in front of the mirror shaving. A 12 year old girl in a towel was sitting in the corner. The woman confronted the man who said he was LGBTQ and could be there. She asked him to leave and he refused. She took his photo (he was fully dressed with shirt hair and looks exactly like any other bloke) and complained to the front desk, who did nothing. She has now had her membership canceled and she has been reported for taking a photo of a member which is against the rules.
She said she is going to report his presence to police.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13233213/Planet-Fitness-staffer-transgender-locker-room-fight.html

Planet Fitness assist trans client in women's locker room

Patricia Silva, who was banned from Planet Fitness after posting about a trans woman shaving in the female locker room, said that person now has an employee escort to use the facilities.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13233213/Planet-Fitness-staffer-transgender-locker-room-fight.html

OP posts:
ArabellaScott · 25/03/2024 10:16

AlohaOptima · 25/03/2024 10:15

At no point have I given my opinion on him being in the changing room. I have merely said that I don't believe he is actually a trans person, rather that in my opinion he is a predatory man using Self ID as a loop hole to gain access to spaces he shouldn't be in.

Which is the whole reason I have a problem with Self ID, it is wide open to abuse by people with questionable motives.

Okay, but I don't see how he's not a trans person.

Helleofabore · 25/03/2024 10:18

me either. Why isn’t he a male trans person as the woman in reception supposedly said? I must missed something.

ATerrorofLeftovers · 25/03/2024 10:22

chuggachug · 25/03/2024 09:03

What is the difference between indecent exposure and a TW exposing their penis?

I’d love to see Keir Starmer and the various police Commissioners answer this.

AlohaOptima · 25/03/2024 10:28

EdithStourton · 25/03/2024 08:52

That's the whole problem. Once it becomes acceptable for men to go into women's facilities, this ENORMOUS loophole has opened up for the Saviles of this world. 'Oh, dear me no, I wasn't letching at the young girl, I'm trans/queer/identify as gender neutral' or whatever and bingo, 'Oh, there you go, sir, er, I mean madam, er, yes, whatever...' <holds open door to female changing room>

People who can't see this either have tunnel vision or are stupid or are naive.

As a poster said the other day, how can you tell the perverts apart from the 'real trans'? You can't. So how many scared or abused or actually raped young girls are an acceptable level of fallout to keep a handful of men happy?

But here we are. Being kind and polite has helped to land us here.

I think you may have misunderstood me - I am agreeing with exactly what you have said? I even used the same words - this is the problem with Self ID.

As I said any trans person I know would absolutely not put themselves in this situation, using cubicles instead. Because being trans they are just interested in getting changed in a safe way, not gaining access to vulnerable people.

I firmly believe no penis in the female changing rooms would be a better rule, regardless of who they are attached to. Man, TW, whatever else someone identifies as. Make more single cubicles available and everyone is safer.

Froodwithatowel · 25/03/2024 10:32

ATerrorofLeftovers · 25/03/2024 10:22

I’d love to see Keir Starmer and the various police Commissioners answer this.

They would tell you a lot of bollocks about souls and being kind and most oppressed and Other Things Too.

They basically mean that they believe the desires and agendas of a small handful of men, whatever those agendas may include, outweigh the rights, safety and freedom from sexual use of all women and girls.

ATerrorofLeftovers · 25/03/2024 10:36

Froodwithatowel · 25/03/2024 10:32

They would tell you a lot of bollocks about souls and being kind and most oppressed and Other Things Too.

They basically mean that they believe the desires and agendas of a small handful of men, whatever those agendas may include, outweigh the rights, safety and freedom from sexual use of all women and girls.

You are correct, of course.

I'd love to see them try it in a Paxman-style interview with a competent interviewer who's not bound by BBC-style pandering requirements, and really holds their feet to the fire on it.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 25/03/2024 10:59

OvaHere · 24/03/2024 22:07

Actually I disagree. If she'd gone about this quietly nobody would have heard about it. She might consider the absolutely massive financial kicking Planet Fitness are getting worth the police record. I think I would.

I think she’s entitled to be angry, and she may have acted a little too much out of anger (shouting at staff)but largely her actions were justified. I also note that “shouting” has quite a broad definition. I certainly get accused of shouting every time I speak assertively, and I suspect women get accused even more!

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 25/03/2024 11:14

GrumpyPanda · 25/03/2024 01:56

Apparently with QAnon links, so not sure "sensible" is the term I'd be using. Which is a real shame.

I’ve got links with the far left. I’ve been on a protest where there were a lot of SWP banners.

FelineGood76 · 25/03/2024 17:39

MoltenLasagne · 25/03/2024 07:10

The guy in the photo is the most blokiest bloke to have ever bloked. It really shows the truth of self ID - any man who wants to change with the women will be accepted, no questions asked.

Well done that woman for getting evidence and refusing to let it lie.

Exactly. Which is why we must continue to segregate by sex. Because it's a real, provable thing.
Unlike "gender identity ", which is a giant steaming pile of made up fucking horse shit.

StirringUpHatred · 25/03/2024 18:07

I'm really not sure why being "judgement-free" is seen as such a great thing. If there's somewhere 'anything goes' shouldn't be a mantra, it's around safety, surely?

And surely it's widely accepted that men shouldn't be around naked children ...

MissingLesbianSpaces · 25/03/2024 18:25

Thank you. And Laurie Penny said (paraphrasing) that any little girl who would look at an erect penis is the pervert and needs to be taught NOT to look. Disgusting. And as a lesbian, i hate that these perverts mention the letter L

Violetparis · 25/03/2024 18:40

I can't believe we've got to a point in society where people will defend a man's right to be in a female changing room where young girls are. It's so wrong, dangerous and bloody ridiculous. So fed up with this nonsense and the politicians, celebrities and ordinary people who support it.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 25/03/2024 18:42

StirringUpHatred · 25/03/2024 18:07

I'm really not sure why being "judgement-free" is seen as such a great thing. If there's somewhere 'anything goes' shouldn't be a mantra, it's around safety, surely?

And surely it's widely accepted that men shouldn't be around naked children ...

Indeed. If the woman who took the photo did shout, good for her. That seems an entirely appropriate response to finding a bloke in a changing room with a semi-naked child.

DuesToTheDirt · 25/03/2024 20:15

MissingLesbianSpaces · 25/03/2024 18:25

Thank you. And Laurie Penny said (paraphrasing) that any little girl who would look at an erect penis is the pervert and needs to be taught NOT to look. Disgusting. And as a lesbian, i hate that these perverts mention the letter L

These people have obviously no idea about indecent exposure, the kind of people men who do it, and its relationship with other sex crimes.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 25/03/2024 20:22

DuesToTheDirt · 25/03/2024 20:15

These people have obviously no idea about indecent exposure, the kind of people men who do it, and its relationship with other sex crimes.

Don't let them off so lightly. They know fine well; they just don't care.

Ofcourseshecan · 25/03/2024 21:51

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 24/03/2024 21:28

Men who want to undress beside 12 year old girls are wrong uns, regardless of how they identify. The end.

Exactly. And very obvious.

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