They / them at work

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I've just written a long post and it's disappeared so in brief - how do you deal with staff who are they/them at work? I will really struggle to call a very obvious biological male 'they'. I also can't loose my job and do want to be respectful but also can't change my view on this nonsense !

Here is a study from UCLA about how transgender people experience violence four times more often than cisgender people.

4 Times the Violence for Trans Folk

And here is a study reported in the Guardian that violence towards trans people is trending upwards.

Violence against Trans Folk on the Rise

But I’m sure the studies are deeply flawed, right? Anything to justify treating trans folk as less than human.

You’d have used fewer characters and it would have taken less time for you to type transwoman.

If you use the correct terminology then it’s easier for other posters to understand what you’re trying to say. I’d strongly recommend you never write an academic paper on that basis.

I haven't seen you acknowledge the false claim you made earlier about the number of trans murders @Belichtofalicht

They don't want their own spaces.

They want women's spaces.

And the fact that you consider third spaces an "ideal solution" is proof that you don't really think they are a "type of woman" at all.

As several people have pointed out, there's a lack of consistency and coherency in this poster's views.

I admire the speed at which you've requested the full study from the link provided, read it in its entirety, digested the information and then shared your analysis of it here*.
What did you think of the methodology used?

*except none of these things have actually been done

One of the key findings jumps out:
"One in four transgender women who were victimized thought the incident was a hate crime compared to less than one in ten cisgender women."

We need another term for Transgender people. 🤔
They most certainly can’t have ours as they are not women and since they reject their own sex, perhaps a new identity can be proposed?
Does anyone have a suggestion?

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Don’t be silly, Pesky. I’m not writing an academic paper here.

America is very different to the U.K., more trans people have been killed by police in the US in the last few years than have been killed by anyone in the U.K.

UK policy cannot be made around US crime statistics.

Trans man and trans woman works.

Not for me, it's obfuscatory and studies have shown it confuses people.

No, that won’t work as they can’t use those terms as they haven’t transferred to that sex.

Almost unbelievably, I’d apply a different standard to writing a paper than I do hastily posting on the web between the demands of real life!

You can always do your own research.

No, clearly you're not writing an academic paper.

But if you're going to ask people to look at a study to support your argument (whatever that is) you might at least grasp what that study is and how it was conducted.

Otherwise it looks like you've hastily typed search terms into google to find a study, any study, to prove a point. 🤔

So the word “woman” is absolutely meaningless in the way you use it.

You are steadfast in your belief that some men are part of the group “women” without even being able to define what that group is.

It’s true that in your belief system there are no universally shared common characteristics between “women”, but that doesn’t mean women aren’t a coherent group. It just means your belief system is incoherent.

The only definition of woman that is coherent and makes sense is “adult human female”. Those are the three characteristics shared by all women, universally, including women with female specific DSDs, who are female, despite what genderist ideologues would have you believe.

There are, as you acknowledge, NO common characteristics shared by all women and all men who want to be seen as women.

Because, apart from our common humanity, we are not part of the same category of adults.

If we were, you wouldn’t have to try to desperately to shoehorn members of one group into another. We would actually have something in common that inevitably made us part of the same category.

To those saying I’m being confusing, I’m not. Some people can hold more than one idea in their heads at once. I believe trans women are similar to women but not the same, which is why I think they shouldn’t be in women’s sports. It’s not hard to understand.

Cue posters pretending not to get it because it contradicts their prejudices.

Oh, I know what I think. But the only reason you asked me is to tear apart whatever I say so you can shore up your own prejudice, and I’m not playing that game.

It's incoherent. You can't explain why they are "similar to women", and posters have merely pointed that out.

"They're not men. It's horrible to say that, it means you think they don't exisssssst. But they aren't real women, because that's something to do with being female, but not the only thing, but I can't say what I think the other thing is, but they are definitely a type of woman, honest. And you're all mean for not believing it!"

In what way are they similar to women?

The studies I posted are from highly reputable institutions. You just don’t want to accept them because they contradict your prejudice. So you try to attack my research skills as a very weak way of discrediting the studies.

If you have a problem with the studies, write to the universities that conducted them.

And pretending not to get it!

The confidence to assert that people are prejudiced (and all the rest) when we cannot agree with your incoherent illogical beliefs about transwomen.... I don't want anyone to be treated badly, to be abused, to be in any way harmed because of what they believe, or how they dress/present/behave (assuming they are not endangering themselves or others). I simply don't agree that transwomen are women, and I don't agree that they need to have access to single sex spaces/resources. Nothing you have written here persuades me that it is prejudiced to hold that view.

Well, quite.