No more puberty blockers for children from the NHS - reported in the Times!

[MrsOvertonsWindow]

This is massive - and long overdue

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/97ce2e81-2884-42f5-bb82-2a2778f2cc91?shareToken=9568e79f0683beea68ffe5e978b05a29

You have claimed that you live a happy healthy life with no issues and also you have a number of health issues as a result of medical transition. Both of these things can’t be true.

You have repeatedly claimed you are an example of how medical transition is successful, while also existing as a male in your 40s on three medications, including medication to deal with complications of transition.

So the options are these:

1. You lied about being unhealthy and you’re not on any medications and are just like any other 40 year old male
2. you’re lying to us about being healthy after medical transition when the reality is you’re not
3. you’re lying to yourself about medical transition and believe that you are “healthy” because the acceptable standard of “healthy” for people who are on medical transition treatments for decades is so warped, the only way to remain dissonant about how unhealthy you are is to consider yourself “healthy enough, considering”.

Which is it?

"No more puberty blockers".... Hmm..... No more migrant boats, no more drug gangs, no more war, no more tobacco, .... and so on... And if you believe that...

It says no more puberty blockers for children from the NHS.

Sorry I must apologise, I should have made myself clearer...... I was just being extremely cynical, because there are grand announcements on all manner of things (war on poverty, end child poverty, war on drugs, stop knife crime..... on and on, and equally meaningless) On the direct statement, there are instant loopholes already known, for example that it is claimed to be in the interests of medicalised children to continue 'treatment', so, they can continue if they can be said to have already started (can't remember where the details are, sorry).

Again, directly connected to the clinic in question, there have been exposures here and elsewhere that it was supposed to have been 'closed' years ago, on orders from Cass. Grand announcement made. Nothing to see here, move along folks. But it wasn't closed. It continued in the original building, but also expanded to other places, with the same staff, doing the same thing. (Naturally, the Scottish version continues with bells on). And, England cannot control what the Scottish, Irish and Welsh versions of N.H.S. do. Nor, of course, will anyone make the least attempt to control those within the industry who supply the drugs privately.

Quelle fucking surprise.

https://x.com/buttonslives/status/1776016344086880513
Groundbreaking new study from Mayo Clinic, utilizing largest collection of testicular samples in youth, found mild to severe atrophy in the testes of boys who took puberty blockers, leading authors to doubt "reversibility" claims of these drugs.

Surely that's what they're supposed to do? It's absurd to suggest they're 'reversible'.

2024 does seem to be a year for studies essentially confirming the obvious. The positive is that in the UK the NHS is more likely to take notice as the £cost of getting it wrong is much higher.

Hopefully as the self interested lobby groups are prised away from influencing child health care in the NHS and Cass's insistence on evidence and research is implemented, then these mentally vulnerable children will start to receive appropriate support?
Sadly these groups still continue their pressure as Global Butterflies attempts to influence practice at Great Ormond Street (a site for one of the new services) shows:

https://twitter.com/Transgendertrd/status/1695357134391648612

I suppose the problem was no real research was done to establish these treatment paths. So we can anticipate a few 'the sky is blue and puberty blockers are harmful' studies before the wave of horror and outrage at this slowly breaking scandal actually overtakes them.

Kucinghitam · Today 07:11

Quelle fucking surprise.

She reported that the study says that PBs cause nodules of calcium deposits in the testes, which is a known factor in the development of testicular cancer. In a sane world, "Shit! This drug causes cancer!" would surely be enough to prevent its use.

These poor damn kids. It's hard to even think about the consequences on them of this mad experiment. And the NHS let it happen. In fact enthusiastically promoted it. Fuck.

I hope the Ritchi Herron case against the NHS is successful and will peak a lot of NHS decision makers. Sadly it took years for the mesh scandal to gain traction.

Can you post a link to the actual study Kucking? I'm not on Twitter.

Or SinnerBoy?

https://www.buttonslives.news/p/new-mayo-clinic-study-finds-mild

Thank you!

That appears to be quite a lot of statements saying that it stops sperm cells developing, and it makes testicles atrophy.

But isn't that the whole point?

Arguably, the most critical finding is the evidence of mild to severe sex gland atrophy in children treated with puberty blockers. This atrophy signifies potential damage or impairment to the structures essential for sperm production, raising serious concerns about the long-term fertility impacts of these drugs for these individuals.

Wasn't it pretty much accepted that if you keep children in a prepubescent state, they won't be capable of producing sperm?

Yeah this is baffling. Puberty blockers are obviously supposed to block sexual development... the clue's in the name isn't it?

It deffo seems like a ‘water makes you wet’ study!

However I suppose the lie it exposes is the ‘harmless pause’?

Although anyone who stops to think about that for more than a moment will immediately realise you can’t artificially disrupt a healthy, normally functioning endocrine system without any unwanted side effects.

Can any Americans on this thread say a bit about the Mayo clinic? Will this report be seen as credible?

I think the key part is that the changes are not reversible.

The line that is played out is PB are harmless and everything goes back to how it should be if you stop them.

This study is saying that is wrong, the changes (damage) is permanent.

I’m not American. But as far as I know, the Mayo Clinic is pretty prestigious.

I think the key part is that the changes are not reversible.

it's probably me not understanding the lingo, in that case.

So even if they stop the puberty blockers, they still get testicle atrophy and can't produce sperm??

I must admit, while I was reading it, I wish someone would do a bit of layman interpretation.

‘atrophy’ isn’t merely a pause at the same prepubescent or early pubescent state, it’s a wasting away.

Whether it’s possible to come back from that the study doesn’t say (no one comes off the medication).

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atrophy#:~:text=Synonyms%20of%20atrophy-,1,of%20an%20animal%20or%20plant

@Datun This is from the article which refers to cellular changes “This preprint study, not yet peer-reviewed, presents evidence that puberty blockers induce significant cellular changes, impacting testicular development and sperm production in ways that are not fully reversible, with potentially permanent effects on testicular function and fertility. It challenges the longstanding view of puberty blockers as a reversible "pause button" on puberty.”

I do want to point out this study is not yet peer reviewed which means other scientists haven’t yet evaluated the data and come to the same conclusions. This is obviously one of the next steps.

The Mayo Clinic is the most prestigious hospital in the US.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/about-mayo-clinic/quality/top-ranked

I don't know how it ranks in research: there are many prestigious US universities that conduct medical research. But this study will be given a great deal of weight, both in the USA and other countries.