No more puberty blockers for children from the NHS - reported in the Times!

[MrsOvertonsWindow]

This is massive - and long overdue

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/97ce2e81-2884-42f5-bb82-2a2778f2cc91?shareToken=9568e79f0683beea68ffe5e978b05a29

I'm not sure that's any better tbh!

Recent posts from Butters are a classic example of how self interest renders some completely oblivious to the need to protect and safeguard children.

Given the overwhelming number of posts directed at butters, I don't think they can be oblivious.

As has been noted elsewhere, adult transitioners need child transitioners to justify their stance. Personally, what with all the comments butters makes which wildly contradict each other, it's looks complete deliberate to me.

The only thing that baffles me is why Butters continues to do it, when everything they post undermines their credibility

Yes.

So what was a 14 year old laughingly referring them to as titty skittles for? I believe because that my 14 year old’s friends were all discussing them because one of those friends had recently (ie recent to that mention of titty skittles not now) joined a discord group for trans people.

It was within weeks after that this friend of the 14 year old sent the group of school friends a horrific incest and bloodplay pornographic story apparently written during chat session on discord by that discord group . But apparently the discord group the friend joined was ‘only teenaged girls with trans identities’ from around the world. Which the wrote this incest blood play fantasy collectively.

Yeah, fuck off with convincing me it was teenaged girls writing about pushing their mother off their father to be fucked while on their period. I think we can assume that girls did not mean ‘female’ and likely included those not under 18.

And No, my teen was not on the discord server but was being exposed to the actions of that group none the less.

Because they believe their posts will convince someone, I am sure.

It was within weeks after that this friend of the 14 year old sent the group of school friends a horrific incest and bloodplay pornographic story apparently written during chat session on discord by that discord group . But apparently the discord group the friend joined was ‘only teenaged girls with trans identities’ from around the world. Which the wrote this incest blood play fantasy collectively.

But, but, trans healthcare saves lives!!

You need to give evidence to the NHS because GIDs say they didn’t introduce blockers until 2009 and you would’ve been in your 20s then.

Susie Green had to take her kid to the states for blockers and Jackie is about 15 years younger than you.

But, but, trans healthcare saves lives!!

Trans healthcare industrial complex.

It must be almost entirely driven by
💰💰💰 at this point.

Goodness, Butters caught out in a fib? Who would have imagined!

Just to confirm Jackie Green’s timeline:

Jackie was born circa 93/94 (in this Oct 2018 article Jackie is ‘age 25’)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6275447/amp/My-child-wouldnt-today-hadnt-gone-Jack-Jackie.html

Jackie started seeing GIDS aged 7 (2000-2001)

Jackie was taken to the US to see Dr Norman Spack for blockers (at enormous personal expense to the family) age 12 (so 2005-2006).

So the pushiest mother of natal male, childhood onset dysphoria child that Britain has on record couldn’t get blockers on the NHS in the mid naughties (nor privately anywhere in Europe) yet Butters expects us to believe that Butters got NHS blockers 10-15 years earlier?

And just to corroborate my calculations on JG’s birth year this May 2012 article says Jackie is 18

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-teenager-jackie-green-wins-822870

So there are zero children who experienced ‘early intervention’ with blockers prescribed by GIDS who are currently 30 or older.

Wonder if that's in the Guinness Book of Records.

GIDS ‘early intervention’ study began in 2011, and the youngest any of those children could’ve been at that time is 12.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7853497/

So for Butters story to be true, Butters would have to be born in 1999 at the absolute earliest (ie Butters would have to be 24 or under now, yet elsewhere on Mumsnet Butters has claimed to have been in high school in the 80s and 90s, which would make Butters late 40sish).

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/mar/31/why-the-tavistock-gender-identity-clinic-was-forced-to-shut-and-what-happens-next

An update. It still seems like an utter mess. She does say the Cass Review will be out in a couple of weeks which is interesting.

In Butters' defence (did I actually type that?) GIDS was prescribing puberty blockers for patients aged over 16 in the 1990s. Given that Butters had a very slow puberty, the blockers might have had an effect. However, the endocrinology and DNA workups that were required before prescription would have revealed Butters' DSD which would then render them ineligible for blockers.

Oh and GIDS did prescribe blockers prior to the early intervention study but only for 16 and up, so not inducing total pubertal blockade but creating a temporary menopausal state for a year before starting cross sex hormones. Circa 2014 GIDS switched to the ‘stage not age’ assessment which saw some children being prescribed blockers as early as 9 (those children are only now reaching adulthood, so deffo not relevant to Butters)

I can’t find a direct reference for when GIDS first started issuing blockers for 16 plus began because GIDS has wiped all their documents. I expect Michael Biggs has it recorded in his work tho. Will find it later.

this is all that’s left on the GIDS website:

https://gids.nhs.uk/young-people/puberty-and-physical-intervention/

JINX!

According to Biggs the origins of the use of blockers for gender in the U.K. is pretty murky (and very much activist driven) but I haven’t yet found any dates for the NHS starting prescribing to 16 and up…

https://users.ox.ac.uk/~sfos0060/Biggs_ExperimentPubertyBlockers.pdf

Either way this male poster has no experience with puberty blockers in under 16 by their own admission. They did say they were older when prescribed. They really are not in a position to be advising children and yet they proudly boast about it.

And they definitely have no experience of what these drugs do to a female body.

I think we have long established that Butters is a dangerous liar TBF.

Ideology and lies to enable behaviour of elders is the bread and butter of culture of the structure of cults.

Yep. It is the same old, same old. Groups with poor safeguarding centre ‘elders’ and don’t even think about providing completely impartial advisors. No. They provide the ‘elders’ with validation through access to vulnerable young people.

Glad to see we've conceded that my medical history does, in fact, exist after all.

I've never had any complications or issues that are a result of having been prescribed puberty blockers as a teenager and have never claimed otherwise.

Where, pray tell, I have lied?

What possible reason would I have to lie about any of this?

Because you were prescribed puberty blockers at the end of puberty, not the start of puberty at Tanner stage 2 as happens now. Therefore your experience cannot be used as a guide for successful medical transition because it is not remotely comparable to the current cohort of males.