Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

No more puberty blockers for children from the NHS - reported in the Times!

976 replies

MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/03/2024 16:21

This is massive - and long overdue

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/97ce2e81-2884-42f5-bb82-2a2778f2cc91?shareToken=9568e79f0683beea68ffe5e978b05a29

OP posts:
Thread gallery
99
EmpressaurusOfTheScathingTinsel · 06/04/2024 19:16

GenderlessVoid · 06/04/2024 18:52

The Mayo Clinic is the most prestigious hospital in the US.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/about-mayo-clinic/quality/top-ranked

I don't know how it ranks in research: there are many prestigious US universities that conduct medical research. But this study will be given a great deal of weight, both in the USA and other countries.

Edited

Fantastic. Thank you.

Datun · 06/04/2024 19:23

Propertylover · 06/04/2024 18:30

@Datun This is from the article which refers to cellular changes “This preprint study, not yet peer-reviewed, presents evidence that puberty blockers induce significant cellular changes, impacting testicular development and sperm production in ways that are not fully reversible, with potentially permanent effects on testicular function and fertility. It challenges the longstanding view of puberty blockers as a reversible "pause button" on puberty.”

I do want to point out this study is not yet peer reviewed which means other scientists haven’t yet evaluated the data and come to the same conclusions. This is obviously one of the next steps.

Got it, thank you.

I think that is a bit of new news.

Delphinium20 · 06/04/2024 20:26

EmpressaurusOfTheScathingTinsel · 06/04/2024 15:12

Can any Americans on this thread say a bit about the Mayo clinic? Will this report be seen as credible?

American chiming in to agree Mayo Clinic is extremely prestigious-people from around the world fly into Rochester, Minnesota to be treated there.

[now for the part where I smirk a tad] Minnesota is considered a trans sanctuary state as its governor, Mike Walz, has declared it safe for trans kids to move here and get "gender affirmation" treatment. To say this study is awkwardly unaligned with Governor Walz's trans policy is an understatement. [me smirking still].

EmpressaurusOfTheScathingTinsel · 06/04/2024 20:37

Delphinium20 · 06/04/2024 20:26

American chiming in to agree Mayo Clinic is extremely prestigious-people from around the world fly into Rochester, Minnesota to be treated there.

[now for the part where I smirk a tad] Minnesota is considered a trans sanctuary state as its governor, Mike Walz, has declared it safe for trans kids to move here and get "gender affirmation" treatment. To say this study is awkwardly unaligned with Governor Walz's trans policy is an understatement. [me smirking still].

GrinGrinGrin

Madcats · 06/04/2024 21:13

Torygraph is saying that the Cass review is being published on Wednesday!

Datun · 06/04/2024 21:28

Madcats · 06/04/2024 21:13

Torygraph is saying that the Cass review is being published on Wednesday!

Henceforth known as cat and pigeon day.

TheClogLady · 06/04/2024 21:46

Madcats · 06/04/2024 21:13

Torygraph is saying that the Cass review is being published on Wednesday!

😱

OldCrone · 06/04/2024 21:49

Madcats · 06/04/2024 21:13

Torygraph is saying that the Cass review is being published on Wednesday!

Thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5044674-cass-review-out-on-wednesday

BoreOfWhabylon · 06/04/2024 23:17

I think Wednesday might be Emma Barnett's last day on WH.

TheClogLady · 12/04/2024 13:12

Has anyone seen Butters lately?

LargeSquareRock · 12/04/2024 13:33

TheClogLady · 12/04/2024 13:12

Has anyone seen Butters lately?

Imagine the size of his Butters Gasp when he reads the Cass Review.

TheClogLady · 12/04/2024 13:33

LargeSquareRock · 12/04/2024 13:33

Imagine the size of his Butters Gasp when he reads the Cass Review.

Can conniptions be fatal?

EmpressaurusOfTheScathingTinsel · 12/04/2024 14:55

LOJ’s survived this far.

RedToothBrush · 12/04/2024 15:40

LargeSquareRock · 12/04/2024 13:33

Imagine the size of his Butters Gasp when he reads the Cass Review.

I was thinking about the male resident research and legal expert too.

Ingenieur · 12/04/2024 17:17

TheClogLady · 12/04/2024 13:12

Has anyone seen Butters lately?

I imagine that Butters is taking time to reflect on how Butters has been lied to, experimented on, and has contributed to the same terrible pathway in others and in children.

I hope.

ApocalipstickNow · 13/04/2024 13:01
Butters Stotch Bathroom GIF by South Park

Butters with the Cass report

ButterflyHatched · 14/04/2024 13:08

Not sure why posters on this thread are expecting 'conniptions' about a report that they have been enshrining as the impending Holy Text of the Gender Critical reaction movement since it was commissioned four years ago and yet which has resoundingly failed to produce the supposed legions of detransitioners that anti-trans rhetoric requires to exist.

We already knew the state of trans healthcare for young people in the UK was woefully inadequate; that endocrine interventions are complex and not to be taken lightly; that the number of young patients given them is extremely small and that the filtering that accounts for the oft-misinterpreted desistence stats has already largely occurred by the point patients have their endocrinology consultations.

The report has revealed quite a bit about Cass and the various biases, preconceptions murky associations and undeclared conflicts of interest across her team, and doubly so about the organisations that are now making misleading claims about the report's findings.

Please don't misgender me by the way. It's quite rude.

IcakethereforeIam · 14/04/2024 13:10

Who misgendered you?

Datun · 14/04/2024 13:10

Butters, why, in your opinion, do you think six out of seven gender clinics have refused to handover any of their follow-up studies to Cass?

Otter2 · 14/04/2024 13:11

Please don't misgender me by the way. It's quite rude

😂

TheClogLady · 14/04/2024 13:56

Datun · 14/04/2024 13:10

Butters, why, in your opinion, do you think six out of seven gender clinics have refused to handover any of their follow-up studies to Cass?

Oh! That reminds me!

Sajid Javid’s legislative GRA amendment for the purposes of data collection on puberty blocker outcomes was anticipated to only affect those referred to GIDS between 2009-2020 as they were the only patients who would’ve been prescribed GnRHa drugs on the NHS.

The absolute maximum number of GIDS patients who could’ve both had blockers AND now be old enough to have obtained a GRC is 754, all born after 1990.

So deffo not Butters, who is 40 odd.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-gender-recognition-disclosure-of-information-england-order-2022-equality-impact-assessment/the-gender-recognition-disclosure-of-information-england-order-2022-equality-impact-assessment

No more puberty blockers for children from the NHS - reported in the Times!
RedToothBrush · 14/04/2024 14:14

Otter2 · 14/04/2024 13:11

Please don't misgender me by the way. It's quite rude

😂

It's rude to demand others indulge fantasy.

ILikeDungs · 14/04/2024 14:43

Please don't misgender me by the way.

Many people think it is wrong to call someone a sex they are not. "One of the hallmarks of totalitarian regimes is their insistence on controlling people’s thoughts as well as their behaviours.” You do not have any control over other people's opinions and beliefs and cannot compel their behaviour.

You think you are a woman- crack on! Your freedom to believe is matched by other's freedom to disbelieve.

StarlightLime · 14/04/2024 17:55

ButterflyHatched · 14/04/2024 13:08

Not sure why posters on this thread are expecting 'conniptions' about a report that they have been enshrining as the impending Holy Text of the Gender Critical reaction movement since it was commissioned four years ago and yet which has resoundingly failed to produce the supposed legions of detransitioners that anti-trans rhetoric requires to exist.

We already knew the state of trans healthcare for young people in the UK was woefully inadequate; that endocrine interventions are complex and not to be taken lightly; that the number of young patients given them is extremely small and that the filtering that accounts for the oft-misinterpreted desistence stats has already largely occurred by the point patients have their endocrinology consultations.

The report has revealed quite a bit about Cass and the various biases, preconceptions murky associations and undeclared conflicts of interest across her team, and doubly so about the organisations that are now making misleading claims about the report's findings.

Please don't misgender me by the way. It's quite rude.

We haven't. We've correctly sexed you. Most of us don't believe in gender, and that's our prerogative.
Tough.

ArabellaScott · 14/04/2024 18:06

This is the feminist board on a site called Mumsnet. The women here know what a woman is. And we will correctly call a man a man.