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No more puberty blockers for children from the NHS - reported in the Times!

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/03/2024 16:21

This is massive - and long overdue

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/97ce2e81-2884-42f5-bb82-2a2778f2cc91?shareToken=9568e79f0683beea68ffe5e978b05a29

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Emotionalsupportviper · 14/03/2024 11:19

RebelliousCow · 14/03/2024 10:20

That really was not what I was suggesting at all. I just meant that puberty is a scary time for girls and their families, as it is suggestve of a move into adult, and sexualised, life.

I'm hopeful my granddaghter will not really become fully pubertal until about 12 - as both her mother and I were - give her a few more years of developing her identity first. though I understand earlier and earlier puberty is becoming the norm.

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Sorry - I made a clumsy reply to your post.

I wasn't actually suggesting that she was a candidate for such drugs - only that a very early puberty which could be detrimental to the child in other ways, might be a cause for well-considered and well-monitored prescription but that this very much taken on a case-by-case basis - not a "one size fits all".

Apologies if I was offensive in any way- it wasn't intended

menohnopausal · 14/03/2024 11:44

@RedToothBrush

"I think my problem about the just 100 children is it neglects the issues that arise due to kids being told that puberty blockers are better than sliced bread and how they want a piece, and the impact that has as they try and argue how they want them and see it as the solution to all their problems. Only for their big meanie mother to have to do everything in their power to counter that whilst being vilified by reckless and dangerous lobby groups and a whole load of fuckwits on the internet trying to push a wedge through the relationship with their child by saying that the mother is a bigot who hates their child."

YES....exactly this. I'm living through this with my male ND 14 year old who has been "gender non-conforming" since toddlerhood. It's been SO HARD to hold a line without damaging our relationship too much. I'm so fucking angry with both TRAs and "well meaning idiots" who have influenced my child. Very much relate to what @BonfireLady describes.

RebelliousCow · 14/03/2024 13:19

Emotionalsupportviper · 14/03/2024 11:19

Sorry - I made a clumsy reply to your post.

I wasn't actually suggesting that she was a candidate for such drugs - only that a very early puberty which could be detrimental to the child in other ways, might be a cause for well-considered and well-monitored prescription but that this very much taken on a case-by-case basis - not a "one size fits all".

Apologies if I was offensive in any way- it wasn't intended

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Don't worry! No offence taken.

BonfireLady · 14/03/2024 17:26

menohnopausal · 14/03/2024 11:44

@RedToothBrush

"I think my problem about the just 100 children is it neglects the issues that arise due to kids being told that puberty blockers are better than sliced bread and how they want a piece, and the impact that has as they try and argue how they want them and see it as the solution to all their problems. Only for their big meanie mother to have to do everything in their power to counter that whilst being vilified by reckless and dangerous lobby groups and a whole load of fuckwits on the internet trying to push a wedge through the relationship with their child by saying that the mother is a bigot who hates their child."

YES....exactly this. I'm living through this with my male ND 14 year old who has been "gender non-conforming" since toddlerhood. It's been SO HARD to hold a line without damaging our relationship too much. I'm so fucking angry with both TRAs and "well meaning idiots" who have influenced my child. Very much relate to what @BonfireLady describes.

❤️❤️💐💐
The effort to hold back enough yet challenge enough (with my daughter) is beyond anything I've ever experienced. The anger that I feel at those driving it from the strategic level is beyond anything I've ever felt. I feel a different kind of anger towards the indoctrinated enablers because I see how so many of them have been brought in to the belief that "we all have a gender identity" which underpins it all: the parents who were manipulated by the suicide myth and the autistic TRAs whose bodies are now irrerversibly damaged. They are still pushing harm but they are the footsoldiers who have been trained up and are in too deep, summarised by Helen Joyce's excellent video clip about those that fight on because that's all they know. They won't change what they are doing and they are training others too and shouting so loudly, both metaphorically online and at protests IRL, that they wouldn't even hear the truth even if they were prepared to. Belief is an incredibly powerful thing.

To bring it back round to the theme of the thread, obviously the malaga gang just fake the belief and feed their own need, whilst getting in to strategically advantagous places where they can manipulate whatever they want. Cutting off their influence over this part of the NHS is such a huge milestone. I am glad that they are rattled by this.

bringbacktheladiesloos · 14/03/2024 23:07

Igneococcus · 14/03/2024 21:04

Not sure if this has been shared yet:

Bloody hell.

What a shit show it's been.

'no medical background' all over the damned place

RedToothBrush · 14/03/2024 23:14

Igneococcus · 14/03/2024 21:04

Not sure if this has been shared yet:

My comments upthread about the widee impact of puberty blockers ring true with this from the above:

What has been the impact on families?
For many parents of children who have been in crisis over their gender, the ban is welcome — but comes too late.

A spokeswoman for the Bayswater Support Group, which represents more than 650 family members of children seeking to transition, said: “We’re pleased this has happened but for kids who have been told for the past four, five years that these drugs are safe, it’s too late.

“It has destroyed families. No one is ever going to say sorry.

“It has really messed kids up. They have missed years of their childhood because of this. They won’t get those years back.

“There has been a lot of estrangement between children and their families. We have seen cases where parents are divorced and one parent supports going to a clinic [for puberty blockers] and the other does not.

“We’re seeing 18-years-olds who have the emotional development and maturity one might expect from a 15-year-old.

“We have watched our children wait for these interventions because they have been told to believe that’s when their lives will begin. All we can do is wait for them to grow up and hopefully realise what has happened, but it would be much better if the schools, NHS and the government could acknowledge they made a mistake.

“It is useful the NHS has said this but for the kids who get their information from TikTok instead of the media, who is going to tell them?”

I have to say that putting kids through all this - the false promises and family issues caused directly by wanting puberty blockers (not even getting them) arguably is CAUSING mental distress, to multiple people within a family unit.

If puberty blockers didn't exist, huge parts of this trauma wouldn't exist either. There wouldn't be these conflicts and alienations in the same way that have been encouraged and facilitated by online communities and activists.

ErrolTheDragon · 14/03/2024 23:39

For some reason, the link in that post by @Igneococcus doesn't show up in the app on my iPad - if anyone else is confused it shows up fine in the browser but i don't think it's a sharetoken .

I went from there to Janice turners column - there's a poll showing up which currently has 97% of nearly 2000 votes agreeing that the nhs is right to be banning puberty blockers.

Needapadlockonmyfridge · 15/03/2024 06:30

Bloody hell.
Poor kids.
Poor families.
They really have been thrown under a bus.

Datun · 15/03/2024 06:38

Igneococcus · 15/03/2024 05:41

Here is another sharetoke for the Bannerman article just in case there is an issue with the first:

However, one wonders how much quicker the ban on puberty blockerswould have come into effect had the question been: “Should the NHS give sex changes to vulnerable kids?” Or even: “Will sex changes bring happiness to troubled children, a disproportionate number of whom are autistic and/or have histories of trauma, abuse and foster care?”

Quite. The power of language indeed. And the ferocious attempts by the trans lobby to control it. Including on here. So many words are banned because to describe reality would bring about the dreaded enlightenment.

Well, too bad, it's coming anyway. Finally and far too late.

NHS bans puberty blockers for children

Gender identity clinics are to be prevented from giving drugs that halt the physical changes of puberty, following an independent review of the practice

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/children-no-puberty-blockers-nhs-gender-identity-clinic-6tck7wm52

Emotionalsupportviper · 15/03/2024 07:46

RedToothBrush · 14/03/2024 23:14

My comments upthread about the widee impact of puberty blockers ring true with this from the above:

What has been the impact on families?
For many parents of children who have been in crisis over their gender, the ban is welcome — but comes too late.

A spokeswoman for the Bayswater Support Group, which represents more than 650 family members of children seeking to transition, said: “We’re pleased this has happened but for kids who have been told for the past four, five years that these drugs are safe, it’s too late.

“It has destroyed families. No one is ever going to say sorry.

“It has really messed kids up. They have missed years of their childhood because of this. They won’t get those years back.

“There has been a lot of estrangement between children and their families. We have seen cases where parents are divorced and one parent supports going to a clinic [for puberty blockers] and the other does not.

“We’re seeing 18-years-olds who have the emotional development and maturity one might expect from a 15-year-old.

“We have watched our children wait for these interventions because they have been told to believe that’s when their lives will begin. All we can do is wait for them to grow up and hopefully realise what has happened, but it would be much better if the schools, NHS and the government could acknowledge they made a mistake.

“It is useful the NHS has said this but for the kids who get their information from TikTok instead of the media, who is going to tell them?”

I have to say that putting kids through all this - the false promises and family issues caused directly by wanting puberty blockers (not even getting them) arguably is CAUSING mental distress, to multiple people within a family unit.

If puberty blockers didn't exist, huge parts of this trauma wouldn't exist either. There wouldn't be these conflicts and alienations in the same way that have been encouraged and facilitated by online communities and activists.

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Ive literally (literally, literally - not TRA "literally")had to fight back tears reading this. It breaks your heart to think of the suffering - suffering which is still being endured and will continue for decades to come.

All so that paraphiliac men can get a thrill.

Signalbox · 15/03/2024 08:08

“It has destroyed families. No one is ever going to say sorry.

“It has really messed kids up. They have missed years of their childhood because of this. They won’t get those years back.

“There has been a lot of estrangement between children and their families. We have seen cases where parents are divorced and one parent supports going to a clinic [for puberty blockers] and the other does not.”

Gender ideology seems to have this destructive effect on every aspect of society. It splits friendships, families, internet medical support groups, exercise social groups, political organisations, anything and everything it comes into contact with. What else leaves such a trail of destruction in its wake? Why does this never give activists pause for thought?

Emotionalsupportviper · 15/03/2024 08:10

Signalbox · 15/03/2024 08:08

“It has destroyed families. No one is ever going to say sorry.

“It has really messed kids up. They have missed years of their childhood because of this. They won’t get those years back.

“There has been a lot of estrangement between children and their families. We have seen cases where parents are divorced and one parent supports going to a clinic [for puberty blockers] and the other does not.”

Gender ideology seems to have this destructive effect on every aspect of society. It splits friendships, families, internet medical support groups, exercise social groups, political organisations, anything and everything it comes into contact with. What else leaves such a trail of destruction in its wake? Why does this never give activists pause for thought?

Gender ideology seems to have this destructive effect on every aspect of society. It splits friendships, families, internet medical support groups, exercise social groups, political organisations, anything and everything it comes into contact with. What else leaves such a trail of destruction in its wake? Why does this never give activists pause for thought?

Edited because I decided I didn't want to risk a ban.

DrBlackbird · 15/03/2024 08:38

Why does this never give activists pause for thought?

This is a question worthy of some reflection given that it really doesn’t take a rocket scientist to think ‘hang on, is it such a good idea to encourage young boys and girls to permanently damage their bodies with drugs and unnecessary surgery’?

Why have not enough responsible intelligent adults said ‘love who you are’ in response to questioning teens as has been said all throughout the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s?

Underneath it all, somewhere there are adult men driven by power, a desire to control, to force involvement, to compel others to participate in this damaging act. Tragically meeting the traumatised and those rushing to be kind but doing so out of self congratulatory reasons. I’m not sure I’m articulating what I mean. But none of the activists reasons can be disinterested, can they?

ErrolTheDragon · 15/03/2024 08:44

I don't know why I can't see your links in the app, @Igneococcus , I've got a sharetoken one now the piece is in the times app which hopefully will work for all.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/639545a5-9aea-4dca-a7b2-3ad522b05155?shareToken=1529a314c43b5ba256b1e3abd5327b35

ErrolTheDragon · 15/03/2024 08:47

Gender ideology seems to have this destructive effect on every aspect of society. It splits friendships, families, internet medical support groups, exercise social groups, political organisations, anything and everything it comes into contact with. What else leaves such a trail of destruction in its wake? Why does this never give activists pause for thought?

One might almost think it's a feature rather than a bug.

Froodwithatowel · 15/03/2024 08:52

Signalbox · 15/03/2024 08:08

“It has destroyed families. No one is ever going to say sorry.

“It has really messed kids up. They have missed years of their childhood because of this. They won’t get those years back.

“There has been a lot of estrangement between children and their families. We have seen cases where parents are divorced and one parent supports going to a clinic [for puberty blockers] and the other does not.”

Gender ideology seems to have this destructive effect on every aspect of society. It splits friendships, families, internet medical support groups, exercise social groups, political organisations, anything and everything it comes into contact with. What else leaves such a trail of destruction in its wake? Why does this never give activists pause for thought?

Because the drama, the chaos, the high intensity feedback is all meeting needs.

That this has been at the heart about psychology, and not healthy and functional psychology, is the last totally unnamed elephant in the room.

RainWithSunnySpells · 15/03/2024 08:52

Definitely a feature.

'Cult leaders use various tactics to manipulate, control and coerce their members.

  1. Manipulation: Control information and emotional manipulation to create dependence.
  2. Isolation: Cutting off members from friends and family to increase dependence on the group.
  3. Fear: Using scare tactics to control behavior, such as threats of punishment or doom.
  4. Charisma: Creating a larger-than-life image to attract followers and establish authority.
  5. Flattery: Telling members they are special, chosen, or destined for greatness.
  6. Confusion: Overloading members with complex ideas and information to disorient and create dependence.
  7. Guilt: Inducing feelings of guilt to control behavior and keep members in line.
  8. Deception: Lying and misleading to control information and maintain the illusion of power.'

https://www.scienceblog.co.uk/cult-manipulation/

Poinsettiasarevile · 15/03/2024 09:37

I met someone this week who had a family member who was a victim of the Tavistock. Their story was truly harrowing. I met with them on the day the puberty blocker ban dropped. They were so raw and angry. The young person involved is doing really badly. And this is a person of means. Well educated, wealthy, very privileged amd they were powerless to stop any of it. It broke my heart.

pickledandpuzzled · 15/03/2024 09:44

Can anyone link the study DrP discusses on twitter about the decline in iq caused by puberty blockers? It was very powerful.

pickledandpuzzled · 15/03/2024 09:44

It was a specific case study.

bringbacktheladiesloos · 15/03/2024 09:44

That's a tragedy @Poinsettiasarevile

In fact the whole movement has been coercive, controlling, aggressive, abusive and founded on lies. Heads should roll for this. Stonewall, Mermaid and all that have persecuted those that have stood up for our children need to be heavily prosecuted for the permanent and devastating damage they have done to our country's professionals, children, families and schools.

Emotionalsupportviper · 15/03/2024 09:45

ErrolTheDragon · 15/03/2024 08:47

Gender ideology seems to have this destructive effect on every aspect of society. It splits friendships, families, internet medical support groups, exercise social groups, political organisations, anything and everything it comes into contact with. What else leaves such a trail of destruction in its wake? Why does this never give activists pause for thought?

One might almost think it's a feature rather than a bug.

That's what I was trying to say but I ranted like a madwoman for about 8 inches of text and then thought - 🤔"Better not"

(Just couldn't think of away to keep it acceptable)

IcakethereforeIam · 15/03/2024 10:31

I've been trying to write something coherent and acceptable to MN for about 20 minutes. It keeps coming out as a mish-mash of founding myths, infiltration, sunk costs, good intentions, male paraphilias, wanting to do something... anything and so on. I think I'd need to write a book.

The quote from the Bayswater Support group is absolutely heartbreaking.