Hollyoaks - well this is creepy!

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This is an important conversation to have #Hollyoaks

https://twitter.com/Flashmaggie/status/1765511265076613611?t=DMjXSrOUX7zq5tzRgsRGEA&s=19

I'm not familiar Hollyoaks. Can someone explain the set up to this scene where this adult is alone with the girl in what looks like a bedroom? This seems very weird (red flags) to me. At that age, girls visit each other. Parents are in the background. Other children are always present. Adult visitors stay in the public areas of the house.

So a man is alone with a female child in this clip, yes?

Yes. But don't worry, not an ordinary man!

Yes, remember plenty of women are paedophiles so it's not safe for children to be alone with them, apart from the male type of women as they are absolutely no risk whatsoever. /s

I'm in bed by 8 o'clock most nights.

I find this also really concerning. It was not 'just a hand on the shoulder'.

For 28 seconds a male leant in close to a child and ran their hands between the child's shoulder and mid upper arm. While standing close behind the child.

This was NOT just a 'hand on the shoulder'.

The dismissal of this action is shocking.

I cannot believe anyone who has had ANY safeguarding training could watch that clip and go "nothing to see here".

The only thing not in that clip is actual red flags and a massive klaxon blaring.

It is very concerning how low some people's boundaries are.

KJK nails it - from 42 mins.

https://www.youtube.com/live/rHwoaZF8vcQ?feature=shared

I just find it creepy AF this storyline is being shown especially in the current climate. Kind of hoping for a positive turn eg. the girl is persuaded she is what she is and ignore these creeps and well meaning peers. Not much hope given HO track record.

As an aside it seems ironic they show Rosie wearing a skirt with her uniform. Saying she won't go "where girls go" while in stereotypically girls attire.

Well spotted. Even the ardent TWAW slip up.

He's a man.

Can't help feeling the timing isn't a coincidence. KJK also deconstructs the Hayley character in Coronation Street.

KJK nails it - from 42 mins.

She really does.

Yup. Creepy AF with the dim lighting and eerie music. "It'll be ok, just take it one step at a time" "It's your life, you decide" "It's the best feeling" "start living, be who you truly are" etc.
Total grooming - giving the child lines to parrot back when her parents object, setting up a life of needless removing of body parts, drug taking, physical pain and creating dysfunction in healthy children. Portraying it as a utopia, answer to all their problems etc.
Terrifying that anyone in contact with vulnerable children can have this mindset, although as we know, ask not why all....
@ForCoralFox what do you think about detransitioners? They're an inconvenience to your narrative aren't they? Were they wrong themselves in the decisions they made age 9/12/15? Or were they badly advised? Who's at fault? Or is no-one at fault, they just changed their minds and oh well they can go back to being a girl instead?
Except they can't can they? All this Frankenstein treatment is not irreversible is it?
For all this gender "fluidity", transing kids is a permanent decision isn't it? That you think children are equipped to make behind parents backs?

I just woke up from a dream where I was shouting up to someone whose baby was wobbling on a balcony ledge and they were busy and didn't see the danger. The baby fell and I ran to catch it but knew I was too far away to reach it in time.
This is how I feel about trans kids 😭

ForCoralFox what do you think about detransitioners? They're an inconvenience to your narrative aren't they? Were they wrong themselves in the decisions they made age 9/12/15? Or were they badly advised? Who's at fault? Or is no-one at fault, they just changed their minds and oh well they can go back to being a girl instead?

WPATH have an answer to this. They simply blame the children, saying that they have to "own and take active responsibility for medical decisions". They say that the doctors aren't responsible for the medical decisions, the children are.

As well, on more than one occasion, the WPATH members pass the blame to the young person. Another psychologist talks of a female patient who is still in high school and has decided to detransition, claiming that the girl “acknowledges that [she] was the driver in getting [her] to this point.” WPATH President Bowers then echoed this psychologist’s opinion, stating that all medical treatments have regret rates that are typically much higher than for gender transition, and “patients need to own and take active responsibility for medical decisions, especially those that have potentially permanent effects.”

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5021764-wpath-leaks

Just as bad, oldcrone, those members of WPATH who influence the guidelines of medical treatment for children and vulnerable people dismiss detransitioning as just being part of ‘the gender journey’. While those same members acknowledge that children are not understanding what they are consenting to and most of the time, neither do the parents! And yet those same clinicians still proceed.

So, a child who cannot consent, who cannot conceptualise what they are consenting to, are then blamed for consenting.

And I predict that Fox will dismiss this. They have already attempted to deflect their ideologically driven support by saying they are not a doctor so they will not comment on the lack of evidence supporting these medical treatments. That is some intellectual cowardice in my opinion considering the studies are there and not hard to find and read.

I suspect ‘some’ people who write platitudes and who seem to lack the capability to make a basic analysis of information, to critically think through an issue and extrapolate the possible outcomes, don’t have a strong ethical framework. They operate purely on ‘being kind’ without interrogating what that means in reality.

I think the quotes should be like:

Plenty of “women” are paedophiles.

“You need to know that your life is in your hands”

And I predict that Fox will dismiss this. They have already attempted to deflect their ideologically driven support by saying they are not a doctor so they will not comment on the lack of evidence supporting these medical treatments.

It's hard to take someone seriously when they keep telling us how ignorant they are, not just of our viewpoint but also the one they are supporting.

Once again, thank you to the FWR stalwarts for their patience in continually fighting the fight against those who show up to minimise safeguarding concerns. It's so valuable for the curious lurkers on this thread who wonder what all the fuss is about.
💐to you all. That derailer was right - you must be exhausted, just not in the way they (I'm going to go out on a limb and guess its actually a he) meant

Holy fuck that's creepy.

Why is an unrelated adult alone with that kid in a bedroom, dressed in a way that acts out sexual proclivities, and discussing very private aspects of emotional and sexual development?

That the gender activists on this thread like this scenario tells you everything you need to know about them.

FFS

Not every woman who disagrees with you is a man. Why do so many on this forum find that so difficult to comprehend?

Of my entire network of family and friends I know one woman with gender critical views. (I cut her out of my life in the end, though that wasn't the only reason.) Anti trans views are common, but anti trans feminists are exceedingly rare. So it's hardly surprising that a lot of women disagree with the ideas expressed on this thread.

Edited to add: I personally don't believe that gender critical feminism is actually feminism, but I'm talking about self identified feminists who are gender critical.

This reply on Twitter is perfect. 😂

"it's the best feeling in the world"