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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Hollyoaks - well this is creepy!

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Imnobody4 · 07/03/2024 12:25

This is an important conversation to have #Hollyoaks

https://twitter.com/Flashmaggie/status/1765511265076613611?t=DMjXSrOUX7zq5tzRgsRGEA&s=19

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ZeldaFighter · 08/03/2024 14:39

If my boy says to me, "I'm not going for a haircut because I'm a girl", I will struggle to respond with anything other than "Your cock and balls say otherwise, please hurry up".

ForCoralFox · 08/03/2024 14:42

ZeldaFighter · 08/03/2024 14:39

If my boy says to me, "I'm not going for a haircut because I'm a girl", I will struggle to respond with anything other than "Your cock and balls say otherwise, please hurry up".

And you're proud of this approach to parenting?

Cosmosforbreakfast · 08/03/2024 14:59

ZeldaFighter · 08/03/2024 14:39

If my boy says to me, "I'm not going for a haircut because I'm a girl", I will struggle to respond with anything other than "Your cock and balls say otherwise, please hurry up".

I like your no nonsense approach.

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 08/03/2024 15:24

@ForCoralFox
Not every woman who disagrees with you is a man. Why do so many on this forum find that so difficult to comprehend?

Ooh ooh are we at that point of the thread already where anyone with a different opinion is a man?! 😂
Didn't take long this time

ForCoralFox · 08/03/2024 15:29

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 08/03/2024 15:24

@ForCoralFox
Not every woman who disagrees with you is a man. Why do so many on this forum find that so difficult to comprehend?

Ooh ooh are we at that point of the thread already where anyone with a different opinion is a man?! 😂
Didn't take long this time

Indeed. It's very tiresome.

Peskysquirrel · 08/03/2024 15:34

I dunno. Maybe because it's really hard to comprehend why some women seem so happy to throw other women under the bus.

It's one thing to realise that men (as a class, not individuals) are against us, but quite another to realise the extent of misogyny within some women.

agent765 · 08/03/2024 15:43

Beowulfa · 07/03/2024 16:02

I don't remember ever being alone in a room with a male "family friend" as a child/teen. I just can't imagine how such a situation arises.

I do.

I was groomed, sexually assaulted and raped by him.

Swamphag · 08/03/2024 15:47

ForCoralFox · 08/03/2024 14:31

Not every woman who disagrees with you is a man. Why do so many on this forum find that so difficult to comprehend?

Of my entire network of family and friends I know one woman with gender critical views. (I cut her out of my life in the end, though that wasn't the only reason.) Anti trans views are common, but anti trans feminists are exceedingly rare. So it's hardly surprising that a lot of women disagree with the ideas expressed on this thread.

Edited to add: I personally don't believe that gender critical feminism is actually feminism, but I'm talking about self identified feminists who are gender critical.

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Oh, I thought you'd left the thread. How weird. But since you're back:
Apologies for assuming you were a bloke it's just whenever I see people dismissing safeguarding the way you do, I assume they must get something out of it personally. And we all know who benefits don't we?
Always surprised at women who throw their own sex under the bus for head pats. But, you do you.
Pretty sure you know more than one GC friend though because most people know what's what.

Swamphag · 08/03/2024 15:48

@agent765 I'm so sorry this happened to you ❤️

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/03/2024 15:48

So sorry @agent765 Flowers

Froodwithatowel · 08/03/2024 15:52

Feminists who aren't penis enablers at the expense of women and children are really rare?

Bloody hell. Yes dear. Of course they are.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 08/03/2024 15:54

ForCoralFox · 08/03/2024 14:31

Not every woman who disagrees with you is a man. Why do so many on this forum find that so difficult to comprehend?

Of my entire network of family and friends I know one woman with gender critical views. (I cut her out of my life in the end, though that wasn't the only reason.) Anti trans views are common, but anti trans feminists are exceedingly rare. So it's hardly surprising that a lot of women disagree with the ideas expressed on this thread.

Edited to add: I personally don't believe that gender critical feminism is actually feminism, but I'm talking about self identified feminists who are gender critical.

Edited

How many women who disagree with Swamphag are men? There is only one logical answer to that. Women are not men. Men are not women. The blurring of reality soon leads to incoherent reasoning and nonsensical statements such as “Not every woman who disagrees with you is a man."

Windymoore · 08/03/2024 15:55

ForCoralFox · 08/03/2024 14:31

Not every woman who disagrees with you is a man. Why do so many on this forum find that so difficult to comprehend?

Of my entire network of family and friends I know one woman with gender critical views. (I cut her out of my life in the end, though that wasn't the only reason.) Anti trans views are common, but anti trans feminists are exceedingly rare. So it's hardly surprising that a lot of women disagree with the ideas expressed on this thread.

Edited to add: I personally don't believe that gender critical feminism is actually feminism, but I'm talking about self identified feminists who are gender critical.

Edited

Conflation of "pro women" and "anti trans"(the latter of which I don't actually see much off around here,or generally actually) is another lazy tactic,that doesn't reflect the debate

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/03/2024 15:58

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 08/03/2024 15:24

@ForCoralFox
Not every woman who disagrees with you is a man. Why do so many on this forum find that so difficult to comprehend?

Ooh ooh are we at that point of the thread already where anyone with a different opinion is a man?! 😂
Didn't take long this time

As Mumsnet regularly remind us - not everyone is who they claim to be on the internet.
When women on this forum see posters displaying an open contempt for women on here calling them transphobes and anti trans we assume they're anti women.
Posters displaying an open ignorance of safeguarding children and disrespect for women wanting boundaries tend to be men
Posters arguing that we're not in favour of removing prisons (for rapists, paedophiles and murderers) tend to be men
Posters using extreme transactivist arguments tend to be MRAs.

We have no way of being certain about their sex, but what we do know is when someone shows us who they are via contempt, hostility and demands to remove safeguarding from children and women - we should recognise the risks they pose to others,

ForCoralFox · 08/03/2024 16:00

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 08/03/2024 15:54

How many women who disagree with Swamphag are men? There is only one logical answer to that. Women are not men. Men are not women. The blurring of reality soon leads to incoherent reasoning and nonsensical statements such as “Not every woman who disagrees with you is a man."

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Nothing you said here makes sense.

I said that not every woman who disagrees with you is a man. It's a simple statement, referencing the fact that on this forum, every time a trans inclusive feminist woman posts, she is accused of being a man. I think you totally misunderstood my post.

SinnerBoy · 08/03/2024 16:03

itsfinallytime · Yesterday 17:35

So the Ministry Of Justice and the Office of National Statistices aren't credible sources for you?

Hollyoaks - well this is creepy!
Helleofabore · 08/03/2024 16:03

agent765 · 08/03/2024 15:43

I do.

I was groomed, sexually assaulted and raped by him.

Flowers
ArabellaScott · 08/03/2024 16:09

agent765, I'm sending you all my very best.

SinnerBoy · 08/03/2024 16:09

agent765 · Today 15:43

I'm so sorry for you, that you were forced through such a terrible experience, at the hands of a vile bastard.

Helleofabore · 08/03/2024 16:11

Froodwithatowel · 08/03/2024 15:52

Feminists who aren't penis enablers at the expense of women and children are really rare?

Bloody hell. Yes dear. Of course they are.

Indeed. Apparently 'radical feminists' were also not actively working to support women with religious needs in the 90s. Not like Fox was apparently. Apparently other types of feminists stood in solidarity with women with religious needs to support their 'expression of their religious beliefs'. While apparently radical feminists merely scolded those women for wearing hijabs and didn't provide any support or resources.

In addition to this claim, I was quite surprised that some posters only consider those women wearing hijabs to be the only religious women requiring support from feminists too. I mean, they most certainly require the support of feminists, but they are certainly not the only women and girls with religious needs. It is merely one more inconsistency from some of the posters who have arrived to scold and shame people they seem to have some very entrenched prejudices about.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 08/03/2024 16:14

ForCoralFox · 08/03/2024 16:00

Nothing you said here makes sense.

I said that not every woman who disagrees with you is a man. It's a simple statement, referencing the fact that on this forum, every time a trans inclusive feminist woman posts, she is accused of being a man. I think you totally misunderstood my post.

No, I just took you literally. When discussing online, it’s best to avoid statements that make no sense if taken literally. It may have been mischievous of me to point out the daft implications in your post. But the serious point I made is that unclear, or misleading, language doesn’t help people to reason.

WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 08/03/2024 16:19

Not every woman who disagrees with you is a man. Why do so many on this forum find that so difficult to comprehend?

Well, I wouldn’t know, because any man who says he is a woman, is.

I’m not sure why it’s so difficult to comprehend this.

ForCoralFox · 08/03/2024 16:24

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 08/03/2024 16:14

No, I just took you literally. When discussing online, it’s best to avoid statements that make no sense if taken literally. It may have been mischievous of me to point out the daft implications in your post. But the serious point I made is that unclear, or misleading, language doesn’t help people to reason.

I don't think that's what happened, but whatevs.

Cosmosforbreakfast · 08/03/2024 16:31

Hopefully the storyline leads to the older male reported to Police and appropriate help sought for the young female child. I don't watch Hollyoaks and obviously won't start now when it's basically glamourising grooming.

agent765 · 08/03/2024 16:33

ForCoralFox · 08/03/2024 14:31

Not every woman who disagrees with you is a man. Why do so many on this forum find that so difficult to comprehend?

Of my entire network of family and friends I know one woman with gender critical views. (I cut her out of my life in the end, though that wasn't the only reason.) Anti trans views are common, but anti trans feminists are exceedingly rare. So it's hardly surprising that a lot of women disagree with the ideas expressed on this thread.

Edited to add: I personally don't believe that gender critical feminism is actually feminism, but I'm talking about self identified feminists who are gender critical.

Edited

We don't find it difficult to comprehend We find it disappointing. Or we understand their fear if they choose not to broadcast their GC views.

That one woman you knew was brave enough to speak out. Many of us are not due to threats to our personal safety, jobs, family and just about every area of our lives.

The GC woman you cut out of your life is probably relieved. Most of us don't like to give up on family or friends. We feel there is a lot at stake. I would never want a child - girl or boy - to go through what I went through. However, blurring boundaries is making it easier for men to groom children.

Can you explain what feminism means to you? And the difference between an actual feminist compared to a self-identified feminist? I'd be really interested to learn if some people (I know a few male feminists) come out of the womb with a stamp on their bottom making them actual feminists rather than us pretend self-identified GC feminists.