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BonnyBo · 06/03/2024 22:21

https://twitter.com/BylineTV/status/1765484416275472570

IW has reported Jo to the police. What bonkers times to live in

https://twitter.com/BylineTV/status/1765484416275472570

Rainbowshit · 06/03/2024 22:23

BonnyBo · 06/03/2024 22:21

https://twitter.com/BylineTV/status/1765484416275472570

IW has reported Jo to the police. What bonkers times to live in

Was just coming on to post this. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Lion400 · 06/03/2024 22:25

SidewaysOtter · 06/03/2024 20:49

So can you explain why "misgendering" is a problem, while "mis-sexing" is not?

As I said in my post above, we've moved on from 2018. Gender critical views are protected and there are plenty of us here who believe that sex is immutable - to take the example of this thread, many (if not most) of the posters here have a sincerely held belief that India Willoughby is a man because that is India's biological sex. Why would we be censored for saying that?

‘So can you explain why "misgendering" is a problem, while "mis-sexing" is not?’

Quite.

Anybody?

Lion400 · 06/03/2024 22:27

BonnyBo · 06/03/2024 22:21

https://twitter.com/BylineTV/status/1765484416275472570

IW has reported Jo to the police. What bonkers times to live in

Do you think he will be fined for wasting police time?

Rainbowshit · 06/03/2024 22:28

I’m sure JKR would be DELIGHTED to be arrested over this. The publicity would be astonishing. Such bad options for the police and courts. Bring it on!!

PurpleSparkledPixie · 06/03/2024 22:30

I just knew India would do that and I'm surprised JKR fell for it, unless she just thought fuck it, let's have a court case and find out what's what legally so we all know once and for all. Maybe one of them will call Starmer to the stand with his 99% belief 😯

BonnyBo · 06/03/2024 22:33

Dont think IW will face any repercussions from the police - didn’t Fair Cop come about because of people were using the police force to pursue instances of non hate crimes that were nonetheless recorded against the alleged perpetrator, even if the “crime” had been to retweet something using pronouns that didn’t match with someone’s self-chosen set?

Lion400 · 06/03/2024 22:33

PurpleSparkledPixie · 06/03/2024 22:30

I just knew India would do that and I'm surprised JKR fell for it, unless she just thought fuck it, let's have a court case and find out what's what legally so we all know once and for all. Maybe one of them will call Starmer to the stand with his 99% belief 😯

She has had enough. Def did it on purpose. Although right now with EA as it is (unclear), the court case would sadly, be flimsy. This is why it needs updating, to protect biological sex.

Although with the law relying on truth (the whole truth and nothing but the truth) , it might turn out that biological sex matters after all.. 🙌🙌👀

SoupDragonsFriend · 06/03/2024 22:35

@BeckyAMumsnet, thanks for your reply. If 'misgendering' someone means referring to them as their biological sex, or using pronouns reflecting their biological sex, and those posts are being deleted, then truth is being censored.

If a scientist were to take a blood sample or a cheek swab etc from IW today, those cells will show up as male. If, many hundreds of years after IW's death, archaeologists excavate his grave, the remains will show a male pelvis; forensic analysis of tooth enamel will confirm the body as male.

If IW were to be posting on here this evening and referring to himself as female, that would be his belief, if the rest of us post on here and refer to him as male, that is ours because many of us believe in the truth of scientific fact and that belief is now protected in law.

Do the guidelines need reviewing?

ArabellaScott · 06/03/2024 22:36

Oh, India.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/03/2024 22:38

If India thinks the possibility of a pompous police lecture will put JKR off, India is messing with the wrong woman. It would only make her more determined to speak out. Rightly.

Lion400 · 06/03/2024 22:44

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/03/2024 22:38

If India thinks the possibility of a pompous police lecture will put JKR off, India is messing with the wrong woman. It would only make her more determined to speak out. Rightly.

I think JKR is ready to take this to court / get arrested. She gives no fcks and can afford not to. Awesome. I hope this plays out, I really do. I’d love to be in the legal team working for JKR!!

catduckgoose · 06/03/2024 22:47

BonnyBo · 06/03/2024 22:21

https://twitter.com/BylineTV/status/1765484416275472570

IW has reported Jo to the police. What bonkers times to live in

Oh my word this is a comical overreaction 😂

SidewaysOtter · 06/03/2024 22:55

Bless Windy, apparently this is some of the “worst abuse” Windy has seen on social media.

Clearly Windy hasn’t seen Windy’s own TwiX feed where Windy is calling for women to be kidnapped etc.

And if Windy doesn’t think that JKR hasn’t got the money to pay for the sort of lawyers who will chew Windy up and spit Windy out as a snack, Windy needs a word with Windyself.

WallaceinAnderland · 06/03/2024 22:56

I notice IW said 'My birth certificate says female, my passport, all my documents'.

IW deliberately did not say 'I have a GRC'.

I wonder why?

One would think that if IW had a GRC, IW would most definitely be stating that.

🤔

Lion400 · 06/03/2024 22:57

SoupDragonsFriend · 06/03/2024 22:35

@BeckyAMumsnet, thanks for your reply. If 'misgendering' someone means referring to them as their biological sex, or using pronouns reflecting their biological sex, and those posts are being deleted, then truth is being censored.

If a scientist were to take a blood sample or a cheek swab etc from IW today, those cells will show up as male. If, many hundreds of years after IW's death, archaeologists excavate his grave, the remains will show a male pelvis; forensic analysis of tooth enamel will confirm the body as male.

If IW were to be posting on here this evening and referring to himself as female, that would be his belief, if the rest of us post on here and refer to him as male, that is ours because many of us believe in the truth of scientific fact and that belief is now protected in law.

Do the guidelines need reviewing?

Edited

Yep. He is a biological male. And we should be ‘allowed’ to say that he is a biological male. In fact it is stark raving bonkers to say that for example, a biological male is female and is therefore allowed to get his wanger out in girls changing rooms.

But then as GO wrote ‘War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength’.

I would like to see a court case about this, I really would.

Rainbowshit · 06/03/2024 22:59

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Mollyollydolly · 06/03/2024 23:04

She's a genius, I'm in no doubt now. Just as peak madness hit twitter with the reporting her to the police nonsense she tweeted about WPATH thus gaining maximum exposure for the story that really matters that the media are ignoring.
I think she might be an actual witch.

catduckgoose · 06/03/2024 23:05

I would very much like to see India interviewed by a journalist who sits and listens to whatever rant about JKR is being frothed about but then starts pulling up some of India's actually abusive tweets and grilling India on those.

"When you tweeted this about Debbie Hayton, was that a misgendering offence similar to what you're saying JK Rowling did to you?"

"When you tweeted this to Esther Krakue, do you think she should have reported you to the police for sending a grossly offensive message via a public communication network?"

And so on. Actually quite annoying to see the lack of critical inquiry from any of the press outlets India has whined to in the past couple of days.

PriOn1 · 06/03/2024 23:08

Only a short time ago, JK Rowling said she was willing to go to prison rather than be forced into using the wrong pronouns and now it seems the gauntlet she threw down has been taken up by India.

Congratulations India. I hope the police follow up strongly.

catduckgoose · 06/03/2024 23:09

WallaceinAnderland · 06/03/2024 22:56

I notice IW said 'My birth certificate says female, my passport, all my documents'.

IW deliberately did not say 'I have a GRC'.

I wonder why?

One would think that if IW had a GRC, IW would most definitely be stating that.

🤔

I think xye's on record as saying xye refused to apply for a GRC, comparing the process to antisemitism in some nonsensical way.

catduckgoose · 06/03/2024 23:11

StealthSpinach · 06/03/2024 11:13

xxe

xye

new pronouns, sex based

👏🏼👌🏼

Chersfrozenface · 06/03/2024 23:24

I'm pretty sure one has to have a GRC to have a -falsified amended birth certificate issued.

In which case either IW is lying about what IW's bc says, or IW has got a GRC despite claiming not to have done so.

And anyway, the falsified amended bc is on a special register, and the one registering IW's birth as a male still exists and is held by the Registrar General

ANewCreation · 06/03/2024 23:24

Presumably Wallace, if true, the only way that IW's birth certificate says 'female' is if IW has a shiny new rewritten one with a GRC. Although IW also claims to have a cervix...

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