JKR vs IW

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Are we going to talk about this? I think JKR was feeling a bit grumpy today 😀

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/jk-rowling-india-willoughby-twitter-gender-b2507309.html

I am a bit worried that "naice" people will think JKR is being horrid.

It's not that you can't talk about cakes, it's that you can't smother a thread and stifle debate by deliberately derailing and filling a thread with recipes.

It was generally used as a tactic to deal with misogynistic trolls, in my experience. Not much "debate" to be stifled. I'm sure we can agree that persistent derailing is often obnoxious though.

You agree that transgender people are discrimated against because they are transgender - when it Rowling going to march for them?

They are more likely in every case than non-transgender people, all other things being equal. This isn't complicated. Look up ONS statistics or the LGBT National survey for crime statistics.

This covers employment discrimination and unemployment.

None of this is controversial.

As for suicide, here is a recent report on a large study, which also highlights the risk of violence towards transgender people.

https://seechangehappen.co.uk/transphobia-rife-among-uk-employers-as-1-in-3-wont-hire-a-transgender-person/

Young transman speaks out in favour of JK and tells IW to 'Grow the fuck up'

https://twitter.com/anomalysheep/status/1765105095027388558

DadJoke · Today 15:01

They are more likely in every case than non-transgender people, all other things being equal. This isn't complicated. Look up ONS statistics or the LGBT National survey for crime statistics.

The surely it should be the work of moments for you to furnish us with the relevant information and link?

@DadJoke

'... which also highlights the risk of violence towards transgender people'

2 women a week killed in the UK by their partners alone. Are you saying there are more transgender people killed in a week?

No, that would be utterly ridiculous.

There are so few transgender people, and murder is so rare, that it's not possible to make a comparison about the likelihood of being murdered. The likelhood of violence - 30% in the study I posted - is a better metric.

You don't seem able to link to the "large study" @DadJoke and you didn't "post a study"- I don't get my data from TRA blogs, maybe you do. There isn't a link there either.

I have a lot of experience of the unreliability of most statistics put out by TRAs, so I like to be able to read the source, and see the limitations, and any caveats.

The likelhood of violence - 30% in the study I posted - is a better metric

@DadJoke you forgot to post the link to that study

Here's the link.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/28/health/transgender-suicide-risk/index.html

This study also highlights crime directed at transgender people.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/00113921211039271

2 women are killed by men each week in the U.K.

The UK government has labelled violence against women and girls as a national threat.

Under no lens do transwomen (males) suffer more violence than women.

https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/tackling-violence-against-women-and-girls-in-the-uk/#heading-2

(To the poster who said that, dad something or other)

That's a Danish study about suicide amongst trans people in Denmark with limitations clearly noted. Did you post the wrong link?

The second link looks at the LGBT community - not just trans.

There are so few transgender people, and murder is so rare, that it's not possible to make a comparison about the likelihood of being murdered.

Exactly!

Laurence Fox is the pound shop version of Laurence Fox. You can't buy IW's level of class in poundland, you have to go rooting in bins.

TBH, IF transgender people are less likely to get employment, I think the reason is more likely to be that the employer can't provide enough toilet facilities to keep everyone that works for them feeding safe, than anything else.

Or perhaps they worry that the employee will spend all their work time being "trans" and making everyone else feel uncomfortable about pronouns and micro aggressions etc, rather than doing their job. Because rightly or wrongly, that is the impression that so transpeople many give online.

Thanks a lot!

I'll never feel comfortable digging around in the skip behind Tesco ever again.

😂

*DadJoke · Today 15:46

Here's the link.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/28/health/transgender-suicide-risk/index.html

That's about trans people being more prone to suicide, not discrimination or sexual assault.

This study also highlights crime directed at transgender people.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/00113921211039271

No it doesn't, it's "LGBT," so how do you filter out the T?

There was an experiment done decades ago where participants were given fake facial scars to see if they were treated differently. However, the make up artists removed the scars without telling the participants. They all claimed to have been discriminated against or treated unfairly due to their perceived scars. I think many trans identified people have the same issue as they are told so often by people like dadjoke keep telling them that they will be treated badly.

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I think it's plausible there's at least some discrimination against 'trans' people. There are always arseholes who will bully people they perceive as different.

The stats on 'hate crime' and 'transphobia' are all muddied, however, due to concerted campaigns to get more reported, including misgendring on Twitter, etc. The police themselves commented on this artificial inflation of stats.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63157965

'But crimes against transgender people saw the biggest rise, with 4,355 reports, up 56% from the previous year.
The Home Office said the overall rise could be due to better recording by police - and fewer had been recorded under Covid restrictions in 2020-21.
The rise in crimes against transgender people could also be because "transgender issues have been heavily discussed on social media over the last year", it said.'

I think it's plausible there's at least some discrimination against 'trans' people. There are always arseholes who will bully people they perceive as different.

The stats on 'hate crime' and 'transphobia' are all muddied, however, due to concerted campaigns to get more reported, including misgendring on Twitter, etc. The police themselves commented on this artificial inflation of stats.

I agree.

That. ^^

And yes, when you stretch words and meanings to try and stuff in as much volume and weight and impact as possible - and are caught out - people stop believing you.

What does 'hate' even mean? It's flung around so much in so minor contexts, it basically gets hurled meaning 'you put up a boundary I don't like', 'saying no to me', and 'wanting to put your needs in front of whatever I want'.

People are waking up to the males in female spaces bullshit now.

Let’s hope Starmer wakes up soon too, he surely can’t continue with the lie. Him being an ex barrister, there’s got to be some significant cognitive dissonance there.

Here are the figures.

What is crucial to know, I would say, is whether 'non-crime hate incidents' are included in these.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2021-to-2022/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2021-to-2022