Restoring Sanity Takes Time - Helen Joyce

[RethinkingLife]

A bracing read. I am still in a state of some despair about how long this will take. As several people have observed, in the last 10 days, the BBC (in common with other media) disseminated unscientific propaganda that male galactorrhea is better than mother’s milk, repeatedly called a deeply disturbed killer a woman while disdaining to acknowledge the alternate reality as a cat, and has publicly reprimanded Justin Webb for plain speaking that was probably helpful to many listeners.

What will it take to bring bigoted employers to heel? Part of the answer is time. During the past decade, the trans lobby has been stunningly successful in selling false analogies to HR departments: that separate toilets for men and women are like racial segregation; and that insisting people can change sex is “gay rights 2.0”.
Lazy, power-hungry HR managers and staff working in “EDI” (equality, diversity and inclusion) pronounce that the arc of the moral universe is bending towards denying sexual dimorphism, and relish imposing their will on others.
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Imagine you’re an HR professional belatedly wondering if you’ve got the wrong end of the stick on the whole sex-gender thing. You might turn to A Practical Guide to Transgender Law by two barristers, Nicola Newbegin and transwoman Robin Moira White.
But that might not save you from serious missteps. The first edition, published before the binding Forstater judgment, enthusiastically endorsed the faulty lower court ruling. The second grudgingly acknowledged that yes, gender-critical beliefs were protected, but claimed that “manifesting” them — letting others know you held them — wasn’t.
Even before the recent string of judgments to the contrary, that was obvious nonsense. The law about freedom of belief expressly includes “manifestation”. And anyway, it takes but a moment’s thought to realise that the law can’t possibly concern beliefs that are never manifested, since it can’t reach inside the privacy of our heads.
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At bottom, the mindset of the narcissistic identitarians joining in workplace witch-hunts is that of the Crusaders, who made converts at the point of a sword. They do not respect other people’s sovereign consciences, nor accept that their belief system is just one among many. And like the Crusaders, they need to be consigned to history.

https://thecritic.co.uk/restoring-sanity-takes-time/

Adding in a good read about the Meade and Phoenix rulings:

I've got a couple of lesbian friends who get misgendered frequently. And my aunt (long dead now) looked and sounded like Charles Bronson, and was also frequently mistaken for a man.

Does stuff like this worry you?

Do you mean a cis gendered man? Are male support workers no longer able to provide personal care to members of the opposite sex? I've worked as a disability support worker for adults too, in the charity sector, and male support workers provided personal care to female service users regularly. Has this changed?

The children I worked with who were at risk were at risk at home, and no more often from males in the home than from females. Sexual abuse was often facilitated by women, and on occasion perpetrated.

@izimbra

I'm sorry for your friends, if they are bothered by it. Not sure what it has to do with me? Fox's friend is a male who came across as a man, not a butch woman.

This entirely ignores power structures and, presumably, would also tell people of colour that they shouldn't seek to meet or associate without white people 'because apartheid'.

"Safeguarding is based on assessing the risk associated with the sex of the person in question. There is a valid reason for this. It is based on the risk of male people committing sexual offences."

So are there different safeguarding procedures for men working as, say, nursery workers and teachers than there are for women in these roles?

Where could I find this online?

"This entirely ignores power structures and, presumably, would also tell people of colour that they shouldn't seek to meet or associate without white people 'because apartheid'.

What?

It seemed perfectly understandable to me @izimbra. Maybe it's just you.

No need to feel sorry! They're not fixated on men. It doesn't bother them.

Also, sources for the 98% statistic please? I can't find any that back it up.

"This entirely ignores power structures and, presumably, would also tell people of colour that they shouldn't seek to meet or associate without white people 'because apartheid"

It specifically refers to power structures.

And it's not instructing anyone to do anything, so I have no idea what the apartheid allusion refers to.

How bizarre. Do you actually read what you have posted?

Do either of you understand that safety most certainly IS a major consideration for sex segregation?

But even so....

Do you understand that feminists work for all female people including those who are part of a misogynistic religion? Do you understand that feminists have to work WITH those female people to ensure that they are supported to have the freedom to choose their own religious beliefs?

Or do you think that telling women that their religious beliefs, which they may or may not have choice in, are to be ignored because they are misogynistic and that they, the women in need, should be shunned until they choose to not hold those beliefs?

Do you understand that you have just thrown women with religious needs under the bus in some absurd notion that their additional axis of oppression should be ignored to prioritise a male person?

And you both think that you are righteous in this???

Well it's just convoluted bollocks, like a lot of your arguments, but whatever.

Are you serious? Children who have puberty blockers never have an orgasm, they are infertile. The leaked WhatsApp messages from WPATH show that they can be prone to cancer. There is evidence that they can drop as much as 10 IQ points

And overall their quality of life doesn't actually improve.

Boys who have their penis inverted, have to dilate that cavity for the rest of their lives. They become permanent medical patients.

And girls who have phaloplasty, have a massively high failure rate, with operation, after operation. To produce a roll of skin sewn onto their groin that cannot mimic a penis in any way.

There are so many complications with genital surgery, multiple operations, and failed ones at that, are not unusual.

Any major elective surgery can have a lifelong impact, sometimes terrible.

Ugh.

So, you have no current experience. You are just telling us that you know stuff but you don't really.

We acknowledge that people of colour may want to organise without white people present, but it wouldn't be considered acceptable for someone to be turned away at the door for 'looking too white' then asked to provide evidence that they were in fact mixed race.

Don't be silly.

Just Google prison population by sex.

Or crime by six.

It's not a secret!

Well it's just convoluted bollocks, like a lot of your arguments, but whatever.

If you say so. Which of us can define "woman" in a non circular way though?

No, of course it doesn't. Does it worry her?

Bloody hell. As that woman in America says get a bloody helmet.

Well aren't you the hero!

Putting the wishes of a group of males above the safety and dignity of women.

Even though you know that women & children have been harmed as a result of spaces becoming mixed sex?

Even though you know it excludes some women from public places?

And you're actually proud of yourself???

While you keep looking. Please can you find this information too.

Safeguarding is based on assessing the risk associated with the sex of the person in question. There is a valid reason for this. It is based on the risk of male people committing sexual offences.

Because of the actions of some male people, ALL male people should be treated at the same level of risk for robust safeguarding.

Can you please link us to the evidence where a male at any stage of transition has less risk of committing a sexual offence than any other male person in the UK?

Then, can you please link us to the evidence where a male at any stage of transition has less or the same risk of committing a sexual offence as any female person in the UK?

If you cannot, why can't you?

Can you, as another poster has requested, provide proof that male support workers can no longer provide personal care to women and girls? Maybe policies have changed, but if you are insisting that this is the case, could you explain on what you are basing this?

Actually, it's 99%

I'm talking about sexual offenders, not prisoners or criminals.

Trans women should not be allowed to be excluded from the event.

It's not about them in any way. Should other males be allowed to attend too, and should lesbians have to indulge them too by "chatting politely"?

@ForCoralFox do you have an answer? Should no one be excluded from Jenny's lesbian speed dating night?

Thanks Wait. I was going to head up stairs for my post card to get that address.