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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Scarlet Blake - murder to officially recorded as a crime committed by a woman

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CousinGreg55 · 28/02/2024 23:13

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/28/trans-cat-killer-scarlet-blake-crimes-will-recorded/

I know there are other Scarlet Blake threads but I thought this was significant enough to start a new thread.
According to The Telegraph the murder is to be recorded as a crime committed by a woman.

Transgender cat killer’s crimes recorded as carried out by a woman

Scarlet Blake sent to male prison but the murder of Jorge Carreno will be recorded as a female offence, police confirm

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/28/trans-cat-killer-scarlet-blake-crimes-will-recorded

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Rightsraptor · 29/02/2024 05:29

As far as we know, 'Scarlett Blake' has not got a GRC. We do not have sex self ID in this country. So he is male both in reality and in law. He is serving his sentence in a male prison.

So why is he being documented as being a woman?

I'm well used to there being no logic in this fight, but this seems extraordinary.

Rightsraptor · 29/02/2024 05:54

SB will obviously have had his DNA taken and it will be stored. Does anyone know how DNA is recorded?

If a murder is committed, for instance, could a suspect's previously recorded DNA be missed if they were listed as the wrong sex?

Nellodee · 29/02/2024 06:50

Aren’t there something like as many transwomen sex offenders as actual women sex offenders? If you record crimes by fantasy sex rather than real sex, then female sex offenders would “apparently” double. That’s not just a drop in the ocean, that’s massive. As with so many things, we need to protest at every incursion, because if we don’t, they add up to a full scale demolition of rights and reason.

Brefugee · 29/02/2024 06:56

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Am going to assume you don't really know how statistical analysis works? And the role it plays in allocation of resources?

Have a look at Invisible Women. It's an eye opener.

If you do know about it:hang your head in shame

Vebrithien · 29/02/2024 07:10

This is an absolute travesty.

Biological sex, to record crimes.

By all means, record gender identity as well.

It is just one extra field in the database, one extra search term.

I will sign, or support as one of the 5 initial supporters, a UK Gov petition to record crimes by biological sex, with the option to record gender identity as additional information.

JellySaurus · 29/02/2024 07:14

StealthSpinach · 29/02/2024 03:23

“I think best would be extremely simple. That crimes should be recorded according to the person's sex at birth and not by self ID gender identity.”

I think it should be recorded as biological sex (at birth) only. Not self ID, and also not even transgender identity if someone has a GRC - as they are still 100% biologically male sex (their gender identity as a TW could be also recorded to ensure their special status is recognised/keep the criminals and their supporters happy.

Nothing subsequent to birth sex matters when it comes to the characterisation of 1 group from another according to relevant statistics. The only useful, true, unambiguous and relevant fact is if they are biologically male or female.

It is important to also record transgender ID, regardless of whether the person in question has a GRC:

Scarlet Blake - murder to officially recorded as a crime committed by a woman
Scarlet Blake - murder to officially recorded as a crime committed by a woman
Floisme · 29/02/2024 07:27

If this isn't stopped then our daughters/nieces/grand daughters etc could find themselves without the means to talk about male violence. They might instinctively still know it's real but they won't have the tools to discuss it.

Cantsleepdontsleep · 29/02/2024 07:28

Surely we need an transgender area crimes can be recorded as exactly that, so that statistics can be properly monitored. The media makes there seem a very high rate of specific crimes attributed to mtf transgender and these need to be properly recorded if action for prevention and management is to be properly implemented. This definitely isn’t a female crime but I don’t think recording it as male gives a full picture either.

UtterlyOtterly · 29/02/2024 07:28

I will sign the petition.

I apologise if I have missed something but why did the media refer to SB, a sadistic murderer, as simply a woman when Brianna Ghey, an innocent victim, was always referred to as being trans?

Cantsleepdontsleep · 29/02/2024 07:29

JellySaurus · 29/02/2024 07:14

It is important to also record transgender ID, regardless of whether the person in question has a GRC:

Sorry jellysaurus, I cross posted. In absolute agreement.

Petrine · 29/02/2024 07:34

Rightsraptor · 29/02/2024 05:54

SB will obviously have had his DNA taken and it will be stored. Does anyone know how DNA is recorded?

If a murder is committed, for instance, could a suspect's previously recorded DNA be missed if they were listed as the wrong sex?

DNA is taken and stored on a database. If the DNA is on the database it would not be missed. That is why crimes committed prior to DNA technology can be resurrected now and evidence taken at the time at the crime scene used to detect the perpetrator.

Crankywiddershins · 29/02/2024 07:39

CousinGreg55 · 28/02/2024 23:26

The process seems to be you get arrested, booked in as your preferred gender and that whats
it gets recorded as if you are eventually convicted.

Oh dear oh dear oh dear! Has poor little Scabies Blake not caused enough beautiful sunlight for the police, judiciary and media already? It's starting to feel like they actually want us to protest until the whole edifice tumbles. Some senior officer somewhere has finally peaked maybe?
I know it's only February but I'm starting a campaign to have the scabby one made "woman" of the year for all the light he's brought us.

anunlikelyseahorse · 29/02/2024 07:40

What's that saying "there are Lies, damn lies and then statistics"? Never truer word spoken it would seem.

pickledandpuzzled · 29/02/2024 07:44

The word woman has no meaning of any kind, anywhere, if this stands.
We cannot be counted accurately for any purpose.
We cannot be resourced.
There will be women in a men’s prisons.
Women will commit crimes of the same brutality as men.
There will be no research about why women are imprisoned.

I care in the same way I care about all misogyny.

Invisible woman indeed.

ErrolTheDragon · 29/02/2024 07:53

Cantsleepdontsleep · 29/02/2024 07:28

Surely we need an transgender area crimes can be recorded as exactly that, so that statistics can be properly monitored. The media makes there seem a very high rate of specific crimes attributed to mtf transgender and these need to be properly recorded if action for prevention and management is to be properly implemented. This definitely isn’t a female crime but I don’t think recording it as male gives a full picture either.

It shouldn't be impossible to record both sex (the factual simple M/F) and 'gender identity' for offenders and also of victims.

InvisibleBuffy · 29/02/2024 08:00

how do we explain why we accept homosexuality as legitimate and beyond question but see transsexuality as a fetish/mental illness/fad/etc.

The difference can be answered by answering the simple question, "Does it affect women's rights?"

Acceptance of homosexuality strengthens women's rights, especially for lesbians. They can openly be in same sex relationships, don't risk having their children removed etc. It only strengthens women's liberation.

Trans ideology is the exact opposite. It weakens women's rights, takes away resources, prioritises male people's wants over women's needs in every single sphere from prisons to sports to lesbian spaces to - yes - crime statistics.
And then those dodgy statistics are used to argue that women are as violent as men and that we don't need those resources for refuges or our own prisons etc etc.

I am also extremely unlikely to go to prison. I've never committed any crimes either, but I do know that women in prison are some of the most vulnerable in the country, many of whom have been through absolute hell before they got there.
So yes, I will advocate for them when trans activists make life even harder for them. That's what feminism is.

ElaineMBenes · 29/02/2024 08:00

Well, I totally get why it's annoying but it's more a matter of principle to me than a real world 'problem' like losing my job, getting an illness, or getting a criminal record etc. It's not going to have much impact on my week.

Well it might do when those statistics are used to allocate resources or you suddenly find your rights as a biological woman being eroded.

It very much is a real world problem.

Skyellaskerry · 29/02/2024 08:06

@ErrolTheDragon
Yes to this:

“It shouldn't be impossible to record both sex (the factual simple M/F) and 'gender identity' for offenders and also of victims.”

Factual!

Jackiebrambles · 29/02/2024 08:11

Petrine · 29/02/2024 07:34

DNA is taken and stored on a database. If the DNA is on the database it would not be missed. That is why crimes committed prior to DNA technology can be resurrected now and evidence taken at the time at the crime scene used to detect the perpetrator.

And funnily enough, Scarlet’s dna would show he’s male. Because science.

Needmoresleep · 29/02/2024 08:11

Transgender murderer Scarlet Blake - who the prison service says is male - is recorded as being a w… https://mol.im/a/13138231

"In a disclosure that will horrify gender rights campaigners, MailOnline can reveal Thames Valley Police (TVP) admitted that the criminal will permanently be logged on their records as a woman."

Transgender murderer Scarlet Blake is recorded a woman by police force

EXCLUSIVE: In a disclosure that will horrify gender rights campaigners, MailOnline can reveal Thames Valley Police admitted that the criminal will be logged on their records as a woman.

https://mol.im/a/13138231

ResisterRex · 29/02/2024 08:12

We knew this was happening. Now we have rock solid proof that it is.

Hoxite274764 · 29/02/2024 08:21

This is an absolute disgrace. He is not a woman (and never will be). Calling him a woman is an insult to all of us.

AdamRyan · 29/02/2024 08:33

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/02/2024 23:25

It's wrong. It's incoherent and it's an example of how completely fucked up all the data is from the police & the MoJ. Civil servants at the MoJ have been pushing this stuff to the detriment of women for years now and we know that they've actively corrupted our national crime data.

It's the law, mrsoverton. You are directing your anger at the wrong place.
For this to go away, the law needs changing. Maybe Blake will tip Badenoch over from mulling to action.

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