Scarlet Blake - murder to officially recorded as a crime committed by a woman

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/28/trans-cat-killer-scarlet-blake-crimes-will-recorded/

I know there are other Scarlet Blake threads but I thought this was significant enough to start a new thread.
According to The Telegraph the murder is to be recorded as a crime committed by a woman.

Do you really not understand anything about how and why data on various crimes is analysed using various characteristics of victims and perpetrators, sex being one of them, @FatPrincess ?

This.

Accurate data on who commits how much of which types of crime are important - for prevention, for detection, for ensuring the correct proportions of different types of prison are built etc

And one of the many arguments for keeping men out of women's single sex spaces is their much higher propensity for violence. If men commit vastly more violent crime and sex crime than women, clearly they pose a high risk. So putting them in a women's prison or allowing them into women's changing rooms and refuges would be a daft idea. If half of these crimes are apparently committed by women, the clarity of that argument is reduced.

Utterly nuts. Is this something we should write to Kemi Badenoch, or is it completely outside her purview? Is it Alex Chalk we should be petitioning?

That's a fair point.

Without wanting to derail, the bit I struggle with is when they try and compare it to racial issues - e.g. saying black women are also women etc, which is a kind of a daft argument as black women are still independently women in spite of their ethnicity.

The gay rights argument is one I find harder. It 100% feels like a false equivalency but I struggle to articulate why. A couple of times on here people have pointed out that we don't question homosexuality or paint it as a delusion/mental illness/fetish despite there being no accepted medical/scientific explanation for identifying as gay.

I don't believe there is any real equivalency and I don't believe the people using that argument are doing it in good faith but yet I struggle to really form a logical response.

The argument seems to go that we didn't accept homosexuality a few decades ago and tried to 'cure' it and that trans people are facing that same resistance nowadays.

It 100% feels like a false equivalency but I struggle to articulate why.

Gay people are not infringing anyone else's rights.
And they're not trying to be something that they simply can't be (or pretending to be something they're not, which is the case of some of the people claiming to be trans)
You can accept transwomen as transwomen but that doesn't mean they're women and should be allowed in women’s sports, prisons etc... or statistics.

Here's an equivalent - if Scarlett identified as Black Carribean would it be fine for that to be recorded in our crime statistics. Is this man Black Carribean because he says he is? Would you expect people who identify an Black Carribean to be a bit upset to have their crime statistics skewed by an evil murderer purely because he chose to put that ethnicity on a form?

This is not a judgement on Scarlet being trans. (re your point about people not questioning being gay). Be trans/don't be trans. Your choice. But if you are a man you are a man, and if you are a woman you are a woman. You might be a man that is trans but you are a man. People are doubting Scarlet is a woman because Scarlet is a man. Usual definition - born with a penis. XY chromosomes etc.

Scarlet is going to a male prison because of "her" man-ness. It is only in pro-nouns and it seems statistics that he is a woman - not actually.

Yes. Local police force statistics feed into ONS data sets such as this one and the ONS, although technically independent, is ultimately responsible to Parliament.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2023

Age, sex and ethnicity of convicted suspects
For the three-year period year ending March 2021 to the year ending March 2023, the vast majority of suspects convicted of homicide were male (1,216 or 92%).

It has a negligible effect on the overall stats but what other crimes are being recorded in this way?

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/check

This stuff makes me nuts, the data is utterly screwed. This mixed sex group of people tend to commit more violent crime than this other mixed sex group of people 😵‍💫

I don't understand how anyone can think this is ok. They want to record "gender" then surely they need to record non-binary/cat-gender/whatever 🙄

I honestly can’t fathom how anyone can think this is OK. I just can’t. Surely official data should be first and foremost factual.

A petition has been started.

https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/its-time-to-start-correctly-sexing-murderers-and

Petitions started on the government web site can be more effective though.
10,000 signatures the government have to respond.
100,000 signatures and they consider having a debate.
https://petition.parliament.uk/

Couldn't give a fuck which gender someone is but I am sick of men committing crimes and it being recorded as a woman's crime.

And if you can't understand why women are pissed off about this and why it matters that it is had been recorded as a crime committed by a woman rather than a man then go off and read about it. You obviously don't give a shit and I'm not your mother.

Tbf some may argue that a gay male doesn't have the same sexuality as a straight female, but I feel like a lot of gay culture potentially just stems from making yourself identifiable to possible mates and signalling yourself as gay - e.g. you can spot some gay men a mile off just by the way they speak.

I used to have a gay workmate and we used to talk about the blokes we both fancied. We both fancied the same guy at work and it was clear we were both attracted to the same physical characteristics he possessed (basically his cracking arse and good shoulders/arms lol).

Perhaps you might like to start a thread talking about the thoughts/feelings and brains of trans people.

This thread is about the crimes of men such as Scarlet (born with a penis and XY chromosomes) being recoded as crimes of women (born with a vagina/XX chromosomes).

The thoughts/feelings/brains of trans people are irrelevant to the thread.

Well, I totally get why it's annoying but it's more a matter of principle to me than a real world 'problem' like losing my job, getting an illness, or getting a criminal record etc. It's not going to have much impact on my week.

To be honest I'm fearful of setting up a petition here as a private individual. Fearful of being accused of being anti-trans - (which I am not - I am anti men's crimes being recorded as women's crimes), fearful my employer would not approve of me saying men are not women!

Many people might feel the same. Can a women's rights group put it forward? Is anyone involved with one?

I think best would be extremely simple. That crimes should be recorded according to the person's sex at birth and not by self ID gender identity.

Rejected petitions state as shown in the screen shot.

It's not going to have much impact on my week

The plight of women in Iran and Afghanistan, of girls at risk of FGM, of women in the US needing abortions, of elite sportswomen losing medals and prize money to men all fail to have any impact on my week. I still manage to care about them.

this incensed me that the police are not stating facts so much so i have started a petition. i hope that all the women on here will sign and share on their platforms. women have been fighting for our rights for years and this is what its come to men claiming to be us https://chng.it/csRWPyrBNn

i have started a petition on change.org would be great if all the women could sign support and share. its to ask that crimes are reported factually by police, media, courts, prisons etc and that those crimes are based on the persons biological gender not just how they feel. the title is Mandate Accurate Reporting of Transgender Crimes and Prison Housing Based on Biological Sex

i have started a petition, when it comes to factual things like birth certificates, passports, crimes, reporting someone's biological sex should be listed. i am not afraid of being labelled a terf and i dont work so not worried so take a look on change.org ladies if you feel very strongly about this issue its titled Mandate Accurate Reporting of Transgender Crimes and Prison Housing Based on Biological Sex thanks

“I think best would be extremely simple. That crimes should be recorded according to the person's sex at birth and not by self ID gender identity.”

I think it should be recorded as biological sex (at birth) only. Not self ID, and also not even transgender identity if someone has a GRC - as they are still 100% biologically male sex (their gender identity as a TW could be also recorded to ensure their special status is recognised/keep the criminals and their supporters happy.

Nothing subsequent to birth sex matters when it comes to the characterisation of 1 group from another according to relevant statistics. The only useful, true, unambiguous and relevant fact is if they are biologically male or female.

And yesterday we had Yvette Cooper saying that she doesn’t know how crimes like this are being recorded. I was angry before but incandescent know. A thorough review of all these cases over say, 10 years should be done and the statistics corrected before they become quotable “facts”.