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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK Rowling has sadly opened her mouth again

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DayAndAge · 27/02/2024 08:20

How the metro can put out this tweet which effectively suggests a woman shouldn't be allowed to speak is beyond me. Shocked but not surprised. Comments are heartening though, as is the ratio.

JK Rowling has sadly opened her mouth again
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Boiledbeetle · 27/02/2024 18:17

DadJoke · 27/02/2024 16:17

It's not misogynistic to say that trans woman are woman.

Regardless of what else saying transwomen are women is or isn't the one thing it most definitely is is a LIE.

duc748 · 27/02/2024 18:20

And obviously it's more sensible that men define what misogyny is, rather than women? 😛

SpilltheTea · 27/02/2024 18:20

It's just the usual idiots crying because someone has an opinion they don't like. They could simply scroll away like a normal person.

heathspeedwell · 27/02/2024 18:21

The fact DadJoke has to keep bringing up Letby is significant in itself. It's incredibly rare for women to commit murder but he's trying to pretend that women are as bad as men by repeatedly alluding to a very rare case.

TerfTalking · 27/02/2024 18:21

I use the Metro to line my cat litter trays because it’s free. The cats shit and piss on it and then I wrap it all up and put it in bin bags.

Appropriate.

Boiledbeetle · 27/02/2024 18:21

DadJoke · 27/02/2024 16:38

On the basis that the perpertrator is a woman, this makes no sense at all. There is nothing wrong with recording the gender identity and transgender status of perpetrators and victims for statitistical purposes, but that makes no difference to individual cases. The fact that Letby is cisgender and Blake transgender are not causes of their crime, and both are women.

Oh give over, you know as well as the rest of us that Blake is a bloke.

Milkandnosugarplease · 27/02/2024 18:22

The Metro may have deleted the tweet but enough people screenshot it.

Dreadful misogynistic tweet.

Is that the view of the Metro? Women can only speak if they have approval from a man?

IncompleteSenten · 27/02/2024 18:25

Milkandnosugarplease · 27/02/2024 18:22

The Metro may have deleted the tweet but enough people screenshot it.

Dreadful misogynistic tweet.

Is that the view of the Metro? Women can only speak if they have approval from a man?

Not just the metro, sadly.

whynotwhatknot · 27/02/2024 18:25

team jk

hes a man end of

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 27/02/2024 18:29

So let's look at the words we use in English for various animals. Female first, then male.

Pig - sow, boar
Whale, dolphin, porpoise - cow, bull
Rabbits, hares - jill, jack
Antelope, deer - doe, buck
Goat - nanny, billy

And so on.

We do this for humans too. Woman, man for the adults. Girl, boy for the juveniles.

Why do we have different words for the female and male of the species? Because it matters to know which is which. Reproduction is absolutely fundamental for every species of life. The species that use sexual reproduction rather than asexual (cloning) would be up a gumtree if members of the species couldn't recognise which sex other members are.

This doesn't mean that humans who don't reproduce through choice or circumstances or medical problems are not human or not valid females/males. But anybody who thinks their sex is something they can conceal or which won't make a difference to how they're perceived and treated is living in a dream world.

And now gender ideologues are telling us that the words woman, man, boy, girl and all the other words that relate to biological sex in humans should be redefined on their say so to relate to gender identity, a concept so nebulous that it's impossible to define.

People who accept this leave us with no words that mean female human or male human. This matters. Sexism is not based on gender identity, it's based on which sex a human is perceived to be. Same-sex attracted people aren't discriminated against because they are attracted to people of the same gender.

Thank goodness for JKR. Flowers

IncompleteSenten · 27/02/2024 18:30

Also, nobody thinks he did it because he's transgender but the fact is that he is or claims to be transgender and the fact is he is a biological male.

Every time the crimes of a biological male are presented as the crimes of a woman it changes far too many people's understanding of male violence, statistics and the fact that male violence is a huge societal problem.

SweetcornFritter · 27/02/2024 18:38

DadJoke · 27/02/2024 16:38

On the basis that the perpertrator is a woman, this makes no sense at all. There is nothing wrong with recording the gender identity and transgender status of perpetrators and victims for statitistical purposes, but that makes no difference to individual cases. The fact that Letby is cisgender and Blake transgender are not causes of their crime, and both are women.

Question: in your view is there any physical or sociological difference between Letby and Blake? If they are both women in your view then what are the commonalities between them in physiological , psychological and general life experience terms?

2under4 · 27/02/2024 18:55

This is an interesting thread, insomuch as I'd never considered the skewing of male / female crime statistics before 🤔

BackToLurk · 27/02/2024 18:55

SweetcornFritter · 27/02/2024 18:38

Question: in your view is there any physical or sociological difference between Letby and Blake? If they are both women in your view then what are the commonalities between them in physiological , psychological and general life experience terms?

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Supplementary Question. Does 'male violence ' exist as a concept? And if so what are the commonalities between perpetrators?

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 27/02/2024 18:58

In English law I believe rape is defined as a crime committed using the penis. Consequently until very recently it was impossible for a female to be convicted of rape. Recently though there have been a few cases in the stats of females being charged with/convicted of rape. Go figure.

Dogfisher · 27/02/2024 19:01

NonPlayerCharacter · 27/02/2024 17:39

We're being lectured on logical fallacy by a dude who says women can have penises.

Mate, can I ask...the Internet has been around for for while now. Do you think this is the first time any of us have been met with a man talking egregious, solemn bollocks at us like a crap Gandhi?

😂

2under4 · 27/02/2024 19:01

Also, re trans women going in male / female prisons, I've never understood why it is a choice between just those two. Seems inappropriate for a trans women to go in regular women's prison, due to safety of other prisoners. However, clearly also inappropriate for them to go in a regular man's prison, because of the safety of the prisoner themselves. Why not a third type of prison for "other", that a person could request to go to? Problem solved (or at least much improved).

SweetcornFritter · 27/02/2024 19:01

Another question for DadJoke - can a penis now be considered a female sexual organ?

SecondUsername4me · 27/02/2024 19:05

2under4 · 27/02/2024 19:01

Also, re trans women going in male / female prisons, I've never understood why it is a choice between just those two. Seems inappropriate for a trans women to go in regular women's prison, due to safety of other prisoners. However, clearly also inappropriate for them to go in a regular man's prison, because of the safety of the prisoner themselves. Why not a third type of prison for "other", that a person could request to go to? Problem solved (or at least much improved).

The majority of GC people are advocates of "third spaces". However these third spaces would be to accommodate men. So men can fight for them. Women fight for enough shit.

Datun · 27/02/2024 19:06

The point is, you don't think ANY trans women are women,

Well duh!

SecondUsername4me · 27/02/2024 19:07

@DadJoke why are you labelling females "ciswomen"? I think for the vast majority of us, "women" suffices.

Dogfisher · 27/02/2024 19:08

Rabbits, hares - jill, jack

Bunnies are does and bucks. Slopes off to pedant's corner...

Dogfisher · 27/02/2024 19:09

SweetcornFritter · 27/02/2024 19:01

Another question for DadJoke - can a penis now be considered a female sexual organ?

I want someone to ask Starmer this...preferably KJK!

User19798 · 27/02/2024 19:16

Has a man (@DadJoke )really turned up, in the feminist section, to bollock us and tell us what a woman is?
Is this performance art?

Soontobe60 · 27/02/2024 19:17

2under4 · 27/02/2024 19:01

Also, re trans women going in male / female prisons, I've never understood why it is a choice between just those two. Seems inappropriate for a trans women to go in regular women's prison, due to safety of other prisoners. However, clearly also inappropriate for them to go in a regular man's prison, because of the safety of the prisoner themselves. Why not a third type of prison for "other", that a person could request to go to? Problem solved (or at least much improved).

You’re naivety is charming.
Research shows that the vast majority of male prisoners who declare themselves to be female do so once they’ve been convicted of their crime - which is statistically more likely to be a violent crime against a woman such as rape or murder. In California, research has gone further to show that once released, those men revert back to identifying as men.
They do so because there are no maximum security prisons solely for women in the prison estate. Female prisons are far better than male prisons. Also, those men would get unfettered access to incarcerated females.
It is NOT the role of female prisoners to act as protectors of male sex offenders and murderers - if those men are at risk of violence from other male prisoners, that’s for the male prison estate to sort out. Quite frankly, I don’t give a damn if a rapist is at risk of being attacked whilst in prison. They should have thought about that when they raped. Can you imagine if the murderer of Sarah Everard were to declare he’s now a she and get sent to a women’s prison? Because I can guarantee the person who started this thread thinks he should be as he’d be a real woman.

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