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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK Rowling has sadly opened her mouth again

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DayAndAge · 27/02/2024 08:20

How the metro can put out this tweet which effectively suggests a woman shouldn't be allowed to speak is beyond me. Shocked but not surprised. Comments are heartening though, as is the ratio.

JK Rowling has sadly opened her mouth again
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ArabellaScott · 27/02/2024 17:23

DadJoke · 27/02/2024 17:05

The point is, you don't think ANY trans women are women, so you object in principle to any newspaper report not misgendering trans woman, whatever the article is about. It's a useful wedge, though, to nutpick articles about terrible transgender people. It's as relevant as a headline "Cisgender woman Lucy Letby murders seven babies." She didn't do it because she is cisgender. Blake didn't do it because she is transgender.

There are cases where someone's transgender status is important. This is not one of them.

Well, it's funny you should bring that up.

Scarlet Blake appears to have various paraphilias. His crime was sexually motivated, or at least gave him sexual excitement. Likewise his partner in the US, who is also turned on by violent sexual fantasy.

As we know, paraphilias tend to cluster. It seems quite possible if not likely that Scarlet is also a transexual fetishist, as classified in the DSM.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15532739.2010.550766

AlisonDonut · 27/02/2024 17:27

The point is, you don't think ANY trans women are women

I don't 'think' it, I know it.

Davidchecksall · 27/02/2024 17:28

@DadJoke says The fact that Letby is cisgender and Blake transgender are not causes of their crime, and both are women.

Describing Letby and Blake by invented gender names is about as useful statistically as recording the colour of their eyes or hair.
Worldwide more murders are committed by people with dark hair.

IncompleteSenten · 27/02/2024 17:28

DadJoke · 27/02/2024 14:38

JKR objects to woman being called a woman is not a headline.

JKR things all trans women are men and should be referred to as such is what her point is, and what people are objecting to.

People can object to biological reality as much as they like. It does not change the truth.

It does also not mean that women's rights must be sacrificed and women must stfu and centre and prioritise the feelings of men, even if those men have gender dysphoria.

There's objective actual truth and there's opinion, delusion, denial, twisting etc.

I can insist that eating 12 cream cakes a day makes you lose a stone a week if that's what I want to believe. It doesn't make it true.

DadJoke · 27/02/2024 17:33

lechiffre55 · 27/02/2024 17:13

Yeah nutpick is a very Freudian slip :)

Nope, not a Freudian slip. It's a logical fallacy, much beloved of people with a beef against minority groups.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nutpicking

Nutpicking

Nutpicking is the fallacious tactic of picking out and showcasing the nuttiest member(s) of a group as the best representative(s) of that group — hence, "picking the nut".

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nutpicking

HappierTimesAhead · 27/02/2024 17:36

DadJoke · 27/02/2024 17:05

The point is, you don't think ANY trans women are women, so you object in principle to any newspaper report not misgendering trans woman, whatever the article is about. It's a useful wedge, though, to nutpick articles about terrible transgender people. It's as relevant as a headline "Cisgender woman Lucy Letby murders seven babies." She didn't do it because she is cisgender. Blake didn't do it because she is transgender.

There are cases where someone's transgender status is important. This is not one of them.

The term 'cisgender woman' is totally redundant when we are talking about actual women. You can just call us women/woman.

And it is important to establish, report and record the accurate sex of those who commit violent crimes. This is because violent crimes are overwhelmingly committed by male bodied people. Indeed the crimes are often directly related to their male bodies being used to overpower and assault women.

I think the above is described as mansplaining but I am a woman so we will just call it the flaming bloody obvious.

NonPlayerCharacter · 27/02/2024 17:39

DadJoke · 27/02/2024 17:33

Nope, not a Freudian slip. It's a logical fallacy, much beloved of people with a beef against minority groups.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nutpicking

We're being lectured on logical fallacy by a dude who says women can have penises.

Mate, can I ask...the Internet has been around for for while now. Do you think this is the first time any of us have been met with a man talking egregious, solemn bollocks at us like a crap Gandhi?

Sususudio · 27/02/2024 17:41

Always so impressed by how the posters on this forum are so articulate and precise on this subject. I just collapse in a frustrated heap trying to reason with people on this. I think the tide is turning though, judging by the reactions to the Metro tweet. I think people are sick of the BS now and tired of being called transphobic for believing in simple biology.

WestwardHo1 · 27/02/2024 17:43

DadJoke · 27/02/2024 16:38

On the basis that the perpertrator is a woman, this makes no sense at all. There is nothing wrong with recording the gender identity and transgender status of perpetrators and victims for statitistical purposes, but that makes no difference to individual cases. The fact that Letby is cisgender and Blake transgender are not causes of their crime, and both are women.

So you want Blake in a female prison with females? You want Blake sharing a cell with a female prisoner? You don't think there's any risk at all attached to that?

Or don't tell me...."women can sexually assault too"?

WestwardHo1 · 27/02/2024 17:46

NonPlayerCharacter · 27/02/2024 17:39

We're being lectured on logical fallacy by a dude who says women can have penises.

Mate, can I ask...the Internet has been around for for while now. Do you think this is the first time any of us have been met with a man talking egregious, solemn bollocks at us like a crap Gandhi?

CrapGandhi would make a great username if "DadJoke" was ever on the hunt for a new one.

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2024 17:50

Datun · 27/02/2024 16:49

The activists are increasingly looking unhinged.

They really are. People waking up to the fact that Scarlett is a man, and not a woman, are going to be completely fucked off with the way it's been reported.

No one likes to be taken in.

Watching TRAs try and keep up the nonsense is almost interesting. Especially recommending he goes to a woman's prison.

It absolutely looks batshit now.

It's really interesting seeing comments elsewhere on MN and in public where people are getting increasingly pissed off at the bullshit.

Stories like this are having the effect of making people see what it's about. Power and control. Not because they think transwomen are cat killers and murderer's but because of the nutjobbery of defending it as somehow ok and framing people like JKR as transphobic.

And now they know they legally can say it's all a load of cobblers, they are.

This week this story, the reaction to JKRowling and this staggering level of abuse by a newspaper telling her she shouldn't be expressing an opinion and the ridiculous transwomen breast feeding story brings so much sunlight.

Dadjoke is brilliant at ticking bewilderness's rules of misogyny. It's so text book. I appauld his dedication to sexism and deriding women at every opportunity he finds in pursuit of getting women back in their gender box. I look forward to his comments about kitchen staffing.

No.14 is:
Women have all the rights they need: The right to remain silent.

Off the scale mansplaining is a sight to behold. Keep going Dadjoke. It's nice to see we are working together well to achieve the goal of showing this sexist nonsense up for what it is.

NonPlayerCharacter · 27/02/2024 17:52

WestwardHo1 · 27/02/2024 17:46

CrapGandhi would make a great username if "DadJoke" was ever on the hunt for a new one.

I know he's taking the piss but still...can you imagine what it must be like to exist in the world, come across something this indescribably horrific and essentially find it funny, and weaponise it against women for lulz?

And in 2024, to think you're the first Internet dude to do this to women?

And to think that because you mentioned the phrase "logical fallacy" in the completely wrong context, it'll somehow come over as clever?

They really might as well come from Mars. Another planet. It's a whole different world.

Stychie · 27/02/2024 17:53

Love love love JK. Wish she would go into politics

IncompleteSenten · 27/02/2024 17:53
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It's actually nice to see a man reveal himself so clearly and show us the mindset that is at the centre of this shitshow.

What men say goes. Men's feelings matter more than women's safety. Women must submit to men at all times on all matters, prioritise men, join with men to attack non compliant women, and believe what men direct them to believe or they will be silenced and punished.

It must enrage this one that we refuse to comply.

Crankywiddershins · 27/02/2024 17:53

DadJoke · 27/02/2024 17:05

The point is, you don't think ANY trans women are women, so you object in principle to any newspaper report not misgendering trans woman, whatever the article is about. It's a useful wedge, though, to nutpick articles about terrible transgender people. It's as relevant as a headline "Cisgender woman Lucy Letby murders seven babies." She didn't do it because she is cisgender. Blake didn't do it because she is transgender.

There are cases where someone's transgender status is important. This is not one of them.

"NUT PICKING" Mate, that's the last thing I'd want to do! Very Freudian slip there.

JanesLittleGirl · 27/02/2024 17:53

There are cases where someone's transgender status is important. This is not one of them.

For once I agree with you. If Blake's transgender status had been ignored then the case would have been one about a man who murdered an innocent, trusting man having escalated from torturing and killing a cat.

Justpontificating · 27/02/2024 17:55

Lion400 · 27/02/2024 17:16

Now, has Starmer admitted women don’t have penises yet, or is that still his view?

Well we know it’s not his actual view, he doesn’t really believe that any have penises. He’s only saying that bs for votes of course. Hopefully he will soon realise that women are a significant proportion of the electorate and pissing then off could be an issue for him.

Well
He d better speak up before the election.
All penises need to be put safely in the correct row, along with his ducks 🙃

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2024 17:57

Can some enlighten me as to wtf Lucy Letby has to do with the outrage that murderer who is given polite pronouns and the fact we have to respect his gender?

Lucy Letby was villified even more due to the fact she was a woman. Meanwhile this guy gets a free pass to polite pronouns because we should be nice to transgender people. Some might even go so far as to say female murders are treated as the worst killers in society whereas a male killer who identifies as a woman should be talked about more politely cos they still remain worthy of respect.

Meanwhile all those non murdering women in prisons aren't deemed worthy of any privacy and dignity cos men are what ever they say they are and women should put up with this cis-sexism cos Dadjoke has turned up and spoken to us naughty school girls.

WitchyWitcherson · 27/02/2024 17:58

DadJoke · 27/02/2024 17:33

Nope, not a Freudian slip. It's a logical fallacy, much beloved of people with a beef against minority groups.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nutpicking

The main example in that link is "feminazi", a much loved term used by TRAs

Zone2NorthLondon · 27/02/2024 18:01

Ms Rowling is habitually trolled and berated and targeted, online and now on mn too

Davidchecksall · 27/02/2024 18:02

@DadJoke says "Cisgender woman Lucy Letby murders seven babies." She didn't do it because she is cisgender. Blake didn't do it because she is transgender.
Agreed they both committed murder of very different types and for very different reasons.
Letby is a woman and Blake a man. They are defined by their chromosomes which cannot be changed or altered in any way. I hope that is accepted as a scientific fact.

PurpleBugz · 27/02/2024 18:03

Polkergheist · 27/02/2024 10:59

Add MyLondon for not mentioning that Blake is transgender until below-the-fold. The paper also signally fails to mention that Blake's lover is transgender.

Is the lover the victim? So we will be used as evidence trans people are experiencing genocide?

lifeturnsonadime · 27/02/2024 18:04

Letby did not use the physical strength of a male body to commit murder.

Blake did.

Imustgoforarun · 27/02/2024 18:10

DadJoke · Today 17:05

The point is, you don't think ANY trans women are women

yep. That’s right.

ArabellaScott · 27/02/2024 18:15

Just to clarify: no transwoman is a woman. Not even a tiny little bit. The clue is in the name.

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