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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK Rowling has sadly opened her mouth again

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DayAndAge · 27/02/2024 08:20

How the metro can put out this tweet which effectively suggests a woman shouldn't be allowed to speak is beyond me. Shocked but not surprised. Comments are heartening though, as is the ratio.

JK Rowling has sadly opened her mouth again
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RebelliousCow · 27/02/2024 16:53

DadJoke · 27/02/2024 16:38

On the basis that the perpertrator is a woman, this makes no sense at all. There is nothing wrong with recording the gender identity and transgender status of perpetrators and victims for statitistical purposes, but that makes no difference to individual cases. The fact that Letby is cisgender and Blake transgender are not causes of their crime, and both are women.

'Cisgender' and 'transgender' are just concepts; mental constructs. They only exist if you believe in their premise.

Justpontificating · 27/02/2024 16:53

A slow burn by the papers.
My dh read the article about the cat in other newspapers and they all said woman and not trans women, so all, it seems skewing the reality

Are trans women ashamed to be called trans

Our statistics will become very skewed

Well done, once again to JKR for calling this out.

Now, has Starmer admitted women don’t have penises yet, or is that still his view?

Helleofabore · 27/02/2024 16:53

DadJoke · 27/02/2024 16:38

On the basis that the perpertrator is a woman, this makes no sense at all. There is nothing wrong with recording the gender identity and transgender status of perpetrators and victims for statitistical purposes, but that makes no difference to individual cases. The fact that Letby is cisgender and Blake transgender are not causes of their crime, and both are women.

Yes. It does make a difference.

Because they are also likely to be stemming from very different motivations. And they shouldn’t be groupe at all. A male crime, that has all male characteristics including requiring male strength to carry out is not comparable as like for like.

That this even needs to be pointed to a male poster is bizarre.

ErrolTheDragon · 27/02/2024 16:53

yourhairiswinterfire · 27/02/2024 16:52

Wow - full-on DARVO - opposing transphobia is now misogynistic.

Whew, 3 rules of misogyny in one thread. Go you!

8. Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.
9. Men always know the “real reasons” for everything women do and say.
10. The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.

Anyhoo, I'm pleased to hear that this sadistic, perverted 'woman' you're so eager to defend will serve his sentence in a men's prison. Exactly where he belongs.

The original premise of the thread was the 'women have all the rights they need: the right to remain silent' one.

Bobbotgegrinch · 27/02/2024 16:53

DadJoke · 27/02/2024 16:38

On the basis that the perpertrator is a woman, this makes no sense at all. There is nothing wrong with recording the gender identity and transgender status of perpetrators and victims for statitistical purposes, but that makes no difference to individual cases. The fact that Letby is cisgender and Blake transgender are not causes of their crime, and both are women.

But the perpetrator isn't a woman, the perpetrator is a bloody bloke. Just like all transwomen. You know it, I know it, everyone in this thread knows it. JKR definitely knows it.

You think you're helping by pretending otherwise, but you're really not. No ones life is improved by pointing at the Emperor and saying "I really like his clothes!"

wincarwoo · 27/02/2024 16:56

@DadJoke you're a great foil. Every thread you contribute to helps the cause.

Justpontificating · 27/02/2024 16:57

NonPlayerCharacter · 27/02/2024 16:38

This post misses the point so spectacularly, and is such a pathetic attempt at sophistry, that it's hard to believe it's genuine.

I think it’s a dad joke🤣🤣🤣

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 27/02/2024 16:57

wincarwoo · 27/02/2024 16:56

@DadJoke you're a great foil. Every thread you contribute to helps the cause.

It really does. I mean it's embarrassing, but it shines the light beautifully. The gift that keeps on giving.

NonPlayerCharacter · 27/02/2024 16:59

Justpontificating · 27/02/2024 16:57

I think it’s a dad joke🤣🤣🤣

Dad jokes are inoffensive groaners, not blabbery shite about why killers with penises are women.

DadJoke · 27/02/2024 17:05

NonPlayerCharacter · 27/02/2024 16:59

Dad jokes are inoffensive groaners, not blabbery shite about why killers with penises are women.

The point is, you don't think ANY trans women are women, so you object in principle to any newspaper report not misgendering trans woman, whatever the article is about. It's a useful wedge, though, to nutpick articles about terrible transgender people. It's as relevant as a headline "Cisgender woman Lucy Letby murders seven babies." She didn't do it because she is cisgender. Blake didn't do it because she is transgender.

There are cases where someone's transgender status is important. This is not one of them.

cerisepanther73 · 27/02/2024 17:06

Nothing sad about JK Rowling opening her mouth again for whatever reason The Metro Newspaper is implying too ect ,

She has just as much right to open her mouth like anyone

Lion400 · 27/02/2024 17:08

NonPlayerCharacter · 27/02/2024 16:38

This post misses the point so spectacularly, and is such a pathetic attempt at sophistry, that it's hard to believe it's genuine.

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Lwrenn · 27/02/2024 17:09

AlisonDonut · 27/02/2024 13:12

Which bit of JK's politics don't you agree with?

I know hardly anything about her politically.

Sorry Alisondonut, I didn't see this!
There has been a few things I remember not aligning with, probably supporting Labour after the Iraq invasion, it wasn't anything specific to her, just things she's endorsed.
I was labour as a hill to die on but not for many years since the war. I think that may have been it, I know she was against Scottish independence but that wasn't it, I honestly just think there has been a few slight differences that haven't been things I agree with. I'm politically homeless now.
But on the whole and as I say, I'm not a fan of her work even though I appreciate it, but I do think she's incredible. (And has very good conditioned hair, almost as much as Sam ryder, they're both my hair goals!)

Dogfisher · 27/02/2024 17:09

lifeturnsonadime · 27/02/2024 16:43

Oh do fuck off.

That man who calls himself Scarlett is not and never will be a woman.

Edited

Seconded.

Justpontificating · 27/02/2024 17:10

DadJoke · 27/02/2024 17:05

The point is, you don't think ANY trans women are women, so you object in principle to any newspaper report not misgendering trans woman, whatever the article is about. It's a useful wedge, though, to nutpick articles about terrible transgender people. It's as relevant as a headline "Cisgender woman Lucy Letby murders seven babies." She didn't do it because she is cisgender. Blake didn't do it because she is transgender.

There are cases where someone's transgender status is important. This is not one of them.

The term
cisgender is offensive ……..you mean women

Dogfisher · 27/02/2024 17:10

It's a useful wedge, though, to nutpick articles about terrible transgender people

Actually loving this typo! 😂

Helleofabore · 27/02/2024 17:12

DadJoke · 27/02/2024 17:05

The point is, you don't think ANY trans women are women, so you object in principle to any newspaper report not misgendering trans woman, whatever the article is about. It's a useful wedge, though, to nutpick articles about terrible transgender people. It's as relevant as a headline "Cisgender woman Lucy Letby murders seven babies." She didn't do it because she is cisgender. Blake didn't do it because she is transgender.

There are cases where someone's transgender status is important. This is not one of them.

If one male person who has a trans identity and demands to be called woman due to their philosophical belief is to be denied by society, and not housed in a female prison, then your entire argument fails.

It is a philosophical belief, others don’t believe and I think you will find that the next Yougov poll that comes out about who supports male people using female single sex spaces will see another decrease in that support. As others too realise they are being told that philosophical belief of some male people has anything to do with the material reality of female people.

lechiffre55 · 27/02/2024 17:13

Dogfisher · 27/02/2024 17:10

It's a useful wedge, though, to nutpick articles about terrible transgender people

Actually loving this typo! 😂

Yeah nutpick is a very Freudian slip :)

BackCats · 27/02/2024 17:16

DadJoke · 27/02/2024 17:05

The point is, you don't think ANY trans women are women, so you object in principle to any newspaper report not misgendering trans woman, whatever the article is about. It's a useful wedge, though, to nutpick articles about terrible transgender people. It's as relevant as a headline "Cisgender woman Lucy Letby murders seven babies." She didn't do it because she is cisgender. Blake didn't do it because she is transgender.

There are cases where someone's transgender status is important. This is not one of them.

“nutpick”

<<snigger>>

Is that a genuine ‘dad joke’?

Lion400 · 27/02/2024 17:16

Justpontificating · 27/02/2024 16:53

A slow burn by the papers.
My dh read the article about the cat in other newspapers and they all said woman and not trans women, so all, it seems skewing the reality

Are trans women ashamed to be called trans

Our statistics will become very skewed

Well done, once again to JKR for calling this out.

Now, has Starmer admitted women don’t have penises yet, or is that still his view?

Now, has Starmer admitted women don’t have penises yet, or is that still his view?

Well we know it’s not his actual view, he doesn’t really believe that any have penises. He’s only saying that bs for votes of course. Hopefully he will soon realise that women are a significant proportion of the electorate and pissing then off could be an issue for him.

BackCats · 27/02/2024 17:17

BTW no men are women.

None.

Nil.

No men are women.

By definition.

heathspeedwell · 27/02/2024 17:18

@DadJoke do you understand that male people commit around 98% of sex crimes and over 80% of violent crime?

Do you understand that Ministry of Justice figures show very clearly that men who identify as trans have the same pattern of offending as other men?

lechiffre55 · 27/02/2024 17:20

I think I may even make it part of my vocabulary.

Nutpick : verb.
To excuse male behaviour by classifying it as small and insignifcant.
example
He was just nutpicking when he brushed off the cat blender murderer as being far less problematic than JKR.

BackCats · 27/02/2024 17:21

‘Nutpick’ does suggest something like getting on someone’s back. I can imagine “Jees can you stop nutpicking me - I’m doing it already”.

BackToLurk · 27/02/2024 17:21

You know what. If I were @DadJoke and apparently cared so much for transgender people, I would be far more concerned that a clearly very mentally unwell young man was sent off down a medicalised route of 'changing gender' as a solution to his problems, than I was about someone calling out the fact that he is indeed male. I might even start wondering whether so called trans-affirmative medicine was all it's cracked up to be. (Although I've a feeling @DadJoke has argued elsewhere on here that no-one ever gets treatment until rigorous conditions have been met)

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