The Ladies pond again

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Trying to have a vote to make it women only again

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/22/transgender-women-ban-kenwood-ladies-pond-hampstead-heath/

https://archive.ph/xbIsK paywall dodge

I'm not holding my breath.

I'm going for deportment and elocution lessons.

There are loads of URLs for boot-bollock-interface available!

https://www.names.co.uk/search/domain#/results

Don't know...
I do like the deportment and elocution lessons idea.

More prosaically/literally, it could be a personal protection/nightclub bouncer agency?
Or sell really kick-arse/kick-bollocks boots.

Would these guys be your target market?

Just stop speaking for others! Nobody elected you to do that!

I speak for me and me alone, and so does every one of you.

Honestly, I just can't get over it. This is a feminist board. Feminists do speak on behalf of other women.

Or should the vote only have been given to women who actually asked for it? Or equal pay? Or the right not to be raped by their husband? Only women who were raped could campaign?

Perhaps women shouldn't campaign for women in prison, unless they're in prison themself? Or shouldn't campaign to restore women's sport, unless they're an athlete?

But, the real giveaway, to me, is Adrian being absolutely fuming that the campaigning includes women under religious constraint, because once he's removed that reason, there simply aren't any more in Adrian's head.

Women just wanting their own space in one of three pools isn't a reason.

No, I meant kick-arse boots for women.

Thank God! I was worried for a moment.

Hoggs of Fife do some kick-arse boots for women and they're really chunky.

I like 'em big, I like 'em chunky 🤣

I’m fairly certain Adrian is a woman.

I'm fairly certain that's what Adrian thinks too.

Nope, I’m happy to state with confidence that Adrian is a biological woman.
one reason for my thinking that is that she swam today and it’s too cold still for the men in makeup.

Hi! I have swum since the 90s. Quite regularly years ago but less so now. Many of my friends swim there. I'm a member of the KLPA and live nearby. I walk my dog past it all the time. Does my opinion count?

Hampstead Heath is a public space that we all have accepted as a venue for men to have sex with strangers. It's a joke among my gay friends that one of the trees is for group wanking. If you're offended by 'peeping Tom' I don't know what to say.

It is not a safe place to be during quiet times or after dark, despite being near the homes of millions of women and a useful route from different parts of north London as well as close to Royal Free/Whittington which both have many female employees working all hours. Yet it's apparently too much for women to have one TINY part which is theirs, where they can swim, change, talk and sunbathe away from men - in acres of land that in theory in public but in practice (because of the threat of male violence) is restricted.

It is grossly unfair that women who live, work near and use the Heath - as well as pay for it, also find it off limits to them at various times for safety and convenience reasons and they now don't have a female-only space whereas men do.
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Adrian is definitely a woman. She has the tone of the Hampstead committee lady down pat. "You silly gals getting offended at a penis. In my day, we just shouted at rapists and that would frighten them off."

I suppose I'm struggling with the fact that a woman would simply write off loads of other woman who might be more vulnerable than her.

This wonderful special safe place - why can't men who call themselves women swim in any of the three ponds?

Oh that's right, because men might make them feel unsafe in such a precious and safe space.

But actual women aren't allowed the same fears, because transphobia.

Get in the sea. Pond. Whatever.

A female woman or a male woman?

I also feel this way. It's very depressing.

I'm still faintly baffled at the idea that women with incompatible faiths, beliefs and cultures with mixed sex provision are so very other, so wholly unreal, that the assumption was that there would be none of them talking on MN. The naivety and limited social circle is quite amazing.

J K Rowling on Twitter the other day about prisons - but much of it seems relevant here too.
https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1759940576340770987?s=20
The trans activist outrage that ensues on here whenever I share my belief that jailed women shouldn't be used as validation tools or emotional support props for trans-identified male sex offenders is as revealing as it's predictable.

Such activists can't bring themselves to concede that a man who was convicted of harming women/girls ought not to be incarcerated with the demographic to whom he is a proven danger, because if they do, all their stock arguments ('no sexual predator would bother to pretend to be trans', 'no trans woman has ever harmed a woman in a women's only space', 'there is no danger in making all single sex spaces unisex') are exposed as the lies they are. If they admit that even a single man isn't a woman because he says he is, the entire edifice of gender identity ideology crumbles. This leaves activists who rely on bullying and slogans with nowhere to go but 'you hate all trans people', 'so you're saying all trans people are rapists' and, of course, 'you are causing a trans genocide.'

I think this particular issue also causes conniptions because it threatens the activists' self image. These are people who preen themselves on their kindness and virtue, so acknowledging the truth - that they're indifferent to vulnerable women being assaulted or traumatised - threatens the idea they have of themselves. They therefore double down. The prisoners complaining aren't really afraid of rape or voyeurism or violence at all, they say. They're 'not exactly delicate flowers', as one self-identified empath put it.

If you support putting violent and sexually predatory men into women's prisons, you are knowingly forcing those women to live in fear of, and, in some proven cases, to suffer abuse that many of them will have endured pre-incarceration. You are not kind. You are not righteous. Women have the basic human right not to suffer cruel and unusual punishment. #WomensRightsAreHumanRights
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There is only one sort of woman.

As I said- I went on the fucking protest. I don’t agree with the current policy and I would like to change it. I acknowledge that it is a policy that excludes women. It’s a bullshit policy. But the women’s pond remains the place in London that I feel safest. It’s where I go for solace. Whenever I feel like I can’t cope I go there and leave my troubles in the water. The regulations are bullshit but equally there isn’t a hugely visible problem from trans swimmers invading female space. It is a female space. I wish it was better protected but they still can’t take it away.

The thing is TimbuktuTimbuktu, that you feeling safe and loving it is great. For you. You don't feel any threat. I get it. I'm sure one man every five years wouldn't feel threatening to lots of women.

But the possibility of a man, however infrequent, will absolutely make some women self exclude.

And what for?? So all men get all the choice.

Hampstead Ponds is a prime example of how it's the women being used, not the space.

Men have two other spaces. Including a mixed sex one. So it's not about them wanting to swim. It's about them wanting to swim in the pond that contains the women. Because it's the women who provide the validation. They're being used as props.

The balance you've got here is that some women will have to self exclude from their own pond, because some men require the women in that pond to validate their personal self image.

This issue being put in front of a court should resolve so that one of the ponds is exclusively for women. Your own personal enjoyment of it shouldn't be affected.

But it will mean that other women will feel confident that they won't be encountering men.

The Hampstead Ponds are legendary. They've been going for years. One for each sex, and one mixed sex.

Women just want what they've always had. They're not asking for anything extra.

Examples of single-sex spaces are just that - not always single-sex spaces which exclude trans women.

Single sex spaces with trans women in them are not mixed sex spaces in the EqA.

Yes they are. "Trans women" are mostly legal men, unequivocally. There's an issue with letting only some men into supposedly female spaces, and it's never been tested in court.