Spain-woman sentenced to 6 months in prison after making 'transphobic' remarks towards male ex prostitute

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https://x.com/ReduxxMag/status/1760315313822769281?s=20

She was also fined Eu3850 and disqualified from holding employment in any profession in the fields of teaching or sports for 3 & 1/2 years

Anyway, this is a pointless derail that I have indulged. Mea culpa.

I saw that from Mr Menno too here about 2:10 into his video.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5012134-mr-mennos-news-broadcast-for-january

An ordinary Spanish man, a soldier, who likes his body, and women, has self-IDed
as a woman after Spanish law make it possible last year.

He has changed nothing about himself, not even his name. Nada.
He said ‘F* it why not!?’/‘coño por qué no’

The Spanish Army however will not allow him to use the women’s changing facilities. He is considering taking legal action against them.

Another Spanish Transwoman has complained that he is not a real one.

An ordinary Spanish man, a soldier, who likes his body, and women, has self-IDedas a woman after Spanish law make it possible last year.

He has changed nothing about himself, not even his name. Nada.
He said ‘F* it why not!?’/‘coño por qué no’

The Spanish Army however will not allow him to use the women’s changing facilities. He is considering taking legal action against them.

Another Spanish Transwoman has complained that he is not a real one.

Yes! Does anyone remember there was a Danish or Norwegian guy who did exactly the same about 7 years ago?

I'm currently applying for nationality in a third country. I don't live there and never have but when I get it I'll consider myself to be of that country.

You have no idea of my heritage. While I was born and raised in Britain, as were my parents, most of my heritage is not British. From a young age I didn't like it there, never planned to stay once I reached adulthood, and left as soon as I could. I've never really considered myself British. My child will have 4 nationalities, and be able to choose how they identify, which is a great gift.

The only identities that count are those we choose or fashion for ourselves. Everything else is just an accident of birth.

PP82
The only identities that count are those we choose or fashion for ourselves

I don’t believe the identities we choose for ourselves are the only ones that count though, as how people around us perceive us counts for so much, if not more, too.

Also, there is no way you will imbibe all the same societal and cultural characteristics as the native born Spaniards however close you come to it.

Think of Henry James books and those poor American heiresses in Europe.

Exactly, @ScrollingLeaves

But Spain is a hugely diverse country, with significant differences between regional languages and cultures.

I've lived in different countries, different continents. I've never found that nationality has been a factor in terms of understanding or relating to others at anything more than the most superficial level.

It's all gone very 'blood and soil' here hasn't it. How enormously surprising.

Ha ha so you are one of the special people, not like those other people.

You can legally ID as something you are not but nobody who is the thing you aren't thinks you are the thing you say you are because you have a piece of paper.

Same as men who say they are women.

The soldier is obviously taking the piss. But who cares. It's never good when you tighten rules to prevent the odd bad faith actor. That's how we end up 'cracking down' on benefits claimants or asylum seekers. The guy obviously has an agenda, so we shouldn't let him win.

But Spain is a hugely diverse country, with significant differences between regional languages and cultures.

Unlike the U.K. where the Scottish highlands are exactly the same as Cornwall and North Wales is identical to Belfast.

What if everyone takes the piss then? You know, just because they can? What if all the organisations and resources meant for "trans" people go to men like the soldier and lots of the boring middle aged non glittery people that you despise claiming to be "non binary" for a laugh?

Yes, I know. I've lived in different parts of the UK. When I went to university I was astonished at how different the lives and experiences of people from other parts of such a small country were. Another reason why I don't consider myself to have a 'British identity.' What does that even mean?

The only part of the UK I would ever even consider living in again is Scotland. Hopefully it won't be part of the UK forever.

As long as I have all the rights and benefits that the piece of paper confers, why would I care?

Would you feel the same loosening of rules around safeguarding should apply in all cases say with police checks on teachers?

I wonder if Spain allows self ID for known/convicted paedophiles? I hope not.

4 years ago someone made some factual biological statements about a trans identifying man

He called him "“prototype of a faggot with tits" - not sure I would describe that as a factual biological statement.

They'd have to be allowed to.

Or we'd have to have definitions and criteria and gate-keeping as to who was and was not genuinely trans, non-binary etc.

Like useless Humza deciding who is "at it" and who isn't

Personally, I would love to see the definitions and criteria.

Being in a position of trust and authority is not the same as sharing a changing room or toilet. Obviously.

Where did I say that I despised boring middle aged non glittery people?

Or indeed that non glittery people were boring?

Im just extrapolating from your posts, you know, like you decided @pronounsbundlebundle was some sort of Brits Abroad lager lout, but of course all Spanish people see you as somehow different, apart from the "insular old people" whose village you moved to, of course.

I'm very confused as to how it would make the slightest difference whether a convicted paedophile changed their legal gender or not.

I'm very confused as to how it would make the slightest difference whether a convicted paedophile changed their legal gender or not.

Because it's harder to monitor them if they "change sex" and get a completely different identity.

That is an unpleasant thing to call someone, I’ll grant you that but:

Other messages that were found to be criminally transphobic included her stating that “there are only two sexes,”

Stating that there are only two sexes is a biological fact.

I made no such assumption about the PP. I simply said that I doubted anyone in Spain would care about their one person boycott. I can assure you Brits Abroad lager lout is very far from the mental image I had.

While I agree there is no reason for anyone not to immigrate, or get on marvellously with the people in a new country, what I find surprising is that you seem to believe you will have as much in common with Spanish people in general as they would among each other.

Yes, they have great regional and educational variations and one societal group there may not share much in common with another, but still there is likely to be a barrier between you and them unless you have lived there most of your life and are completely fluent in Spanish and very widely read. Even then there will be a trace of ‘other’.

Just as there will most likely be some feelings of distinction and otherness between one region and another, there would be an even greater degree of this between a ‘Spaniard’ ( not Basque) in general and a non Spaniard.

This not to say you might not be welcomed with open arms!

I can assure you Brits Abroad lager lout is very far from the mental image I had.

Hardly anyone in Spain cares about your luxury beliefs and identity politics. They are a pretty earthy people, and certainly aren't confused about what a woman is. As a pp said, it's a sexist society.