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Scarlet Blake trial - the thing that never happens....

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CousinGreg55 · 19/02/2024 16:13

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24129077.oxford-murder-accused-not-accepted-transgender/

There was a thread a couple of weeks about this case that got deleted. Obviously it's an ongoing trial but it's as we suspected with the defendent.

Murder-accused tells court parents did not accept her as transgender

Scarlet Blake, is on trial at Oxford Crown Court charged with the murder of Jorge Carreno who was found in Parsons Pleasure.

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24129077.oxford-murder-accused-not-accepted-transgender

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DuesToTheDirt · 19/02/2024 22:34

Myra Hindley and Rose West were outliers so I guess SB could have been another exception.

Let's not forget that Myra Hindley and Rose West, despicable though they were, acted in conjunction with men. There are even fewer women committing this kind of violent crime on their own. Aileen Wournos, Joanna Dennehy. Any others?

IcakethereforeIam · 19/02/2024 22:44

I hope this is a typo as well

"I suppose it was a very typical relationship," she said. "I'm someone who is very much drawn to damaging myself and she was someone who was evidentially willing to ignore typical moral constraints.

Surely it should read 'atypical'.

afternoonoflife · 19/02/2024 22:47

I wish I hadn’t read that Mail article. I was blissfully unaware of so much male depravity before I learnt about the sex and gender topic.

JellySaurus · 19/02/2024 22:51

That BBC article! So dishonest. How many readers will spot that they are referring to a male?

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 19/02/2024 22:55

Quite relieved, really.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 20/02/2024 01:09

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/02/2024 22:06

Quote from Mail.

Blake told the court she would also identify as cat when she was happy and would make a meow noise greeting friends.

Identified as a cat. Didn't identify with cats, so SB was willing to grotesquely torture and murder one.

Reminds me of various people.

Cailleach1 · 20/02/2024 06:25

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 20/02/2024 01:09

Quote from Mail.

Blake told the court she would also identify as cat when she was happy and would make a meow noise greeting friends.

Identified as a cat. Didn't identify with cats, so SB was willing to grotesquely torture and murder one.

Reminds me of various people.

The court and press will happily refer to a man as if he was a woman. However, nobody is giving credence to the feline identity. No reporting about a cat (which is also apparently an identity) in court on alleged crimes.

If they are willing to state a falsehood about a man being a woman, why are they not also willing to say a human is a cat? They should at least be consistent in their willingness to suspend reality.

RebelliousCow · 20/02/2024 08:12

DuesToTheDirt · 19/02/2024 22:34

Myra Hindley and Rose West were outliers so I guess SB could have been another exception.

Let's not forget that Myra Hindley and Rose West, despicable though they were, acted in conjunction with men. There are even fewer women committing this kind of violent crime on their own. Aileen Wournos, Joanna Dennehy. Any others?

Aileen Wournos killed the men who used her as a prostitute - she didn't go out hunting for a random stranger at night. Women who kill multiple times often have a particular pattern involving killing children or killing successive husbands or boyfriends .

ArabellaScott · 20/02/2024 08:46

JellySaurus · 19/02/2024 22:51

That BBC article! So dishonest. How many readers will spot that they are referring to a male?

The BBC have primly stated that Scarlet is a 'trans woman', but yes, it's quite hard to spot.

I think the biggest indication that Scarlet is male was the sudden lack of interest in the story. Went from sensational to nothin' much to see here in about two minutes.

Any idea how long the trial is likely to last, anyone?

Emotionalsupportviper · 20/02/2024 09:31

In addition to which, @ArabellaScott , many people think a "transwoman" is a woman who "feels" she is a man.

Language is deliberately obfuscated.

pickledandpuzzled · 20/02/2024 09:35

That rose petals image reminds me of the ‘choke me’ badges on Snag. So grim.

Snowypeaks · 20/02/2024 10:21

Cailleach1 · 20/02/2024 06:25

The court and press will happily refer to a man as if he was a woman. However, nobody is giving credence to the feline identity. No reporting about a cat (which is also apparently an identity) in court on alleged crimes.

If they are willing to state a falsehood about a man being a woman, why are they not also willing to say a human is a cat? They should at least be consistent in their willingness to suspend reality.

Exactly. They could as truthfully described him as a cat.

Snowypeaks · 20/02/2024 10:22

*have described

pronounsbundlebundle · 20/02/2024 10:40

The throwing of the victim's family under the bus and blithe re-traumatising of them is quite something by these morally bankrupt journalists.

At least give the victim's family the respect they deserve by using correct sex pronouns.

They're supposed to just suck up the absolute lie that their family member was somehow overpowered and killed by a woman. I don't think so.

They're choosing to prioritise the alleged killer's wants over respect for the victim and his family. Utter sick bastards. Shows gender ideology for what it is - far from 'being kind to the most marginalised' it's a tool to bully the most marginalised. You don't get more vulnerable and marginalised than being a victim (and the family of a victim) of this sort of crime.

flyingbuttress43 · 20/02/2024 11:02

Given how unusual murder by women is, I wonder how much the crime stats will be distorted by this nonsense. The same goes for rape stats.

https://www.ipso.co.uk/media/1275/guidance_transgender-reporting.pdf

The fault lies with IPSO. This is where the guidance on referring to transgender individuals should change and this is where we should protest. There is no excuse for referring to transwomen as females where violent criminals are concerned (actually in any criminal situation, but particularly where violence is concerned). A lot of readers will simply scan an article and not realise it is not a woman involved.

What the hell is a Conservative government doing not to lean on IPSO to guide the media towards the truth and reality? (We know Labour won't as they are a total lost cause).

https://www.ipso.co.uk/media/1275/guidance_transgender-reporting.pdf

theilltemperedclavecinist · 20/02/2024 11:26

flyingbuttress43 · 20/02/2024 11:02

Given how unusual murder by women is, I wonder how much the crime stats will be distorted by this nonsense. The same goes for rape stats.

https://www.ipso.co.uk/media/1275/guidance_transgender-reporting.pdf

The fault lies with IPSO. This is where the guidance on referring to transgender individuals should change and this is where we should protest. There is no excuse for referring to transwomen as females where violent criminals are concerned (actually in any criminal situation, but particularly where violence is concerned). A lot of readers will simply scan an article and not realise it is not a woman involved.

What the hell is a Conservative government doing not to lean on IPSO to guide the media towards the truth and reality? (We know Labour won't as they are a total lost cause).

I'm not sure it's always the press though. They rely on police press releases, and in this case it may have been hard to find out the truth.

The police do refer to victims as transgender. Maybe they have a view on the best way to get a cast-iron conviction. Although, the sex of the defendant must surely have been obvious to the jury as soon as they filed in....

flyingbuttress43 · 20/02/2024 13:19

I take your point about the police. However, it is almost always possible to establish the truth (I say this as a now retired journalist btw).

NecessaryScene · 20/02/2024 13:28

However, it is almost always possible to establish the truth (I say this as a now retired journalist btw).

Not a terribly low bar for journalists, you would imagine - digging to find out when the authorities are lying.

Obviously it shouldn't be the case that court reporting requires investigative journalism to establish what matters of public interest the authorities are trying to conceal, but journalists should be up to the job - it's their core function.

duc748 · 20/02/2024 13:39

pronounsbundlebundle · 20/02/2024 10:40

The throwing of the victim's family under the bus and blithe re-traumatising of them is quite something by these morally bankrupt journalists.

At least give the victim's family the respect they deserve by using correct sex pronouns.

They're supposed to just suck up the absolute lie that their family member was somehow overpowered and killed by a woman. I don't think so.

They're choosing to prioritise the alleged killer's wants over respect for the victim and his family. Utter sick bastards. Shows gender ideology for what it is - far from 'being kind to the most marginalised' it's a tool to bully the most marginalised. You don't get more vulnerable and marginalised than being a victim (and the family of a victim) of this sort of crime.

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Well said, absolutely this. 👏

JellySaurus · 20/02/2024 16:31

NecessaryScene · 20/02/2024 13:28

However, it is almost always possible to establish the truth (I say this as a now retired journalist btw).

Not a terribly low bar for journalists, you would imagine - digging to find out when the authorities are lying.

Obviously it shouldn't be the case that court reporting requires investigative journalism to establish what matters of public interest the authorities are trying to conceal, but journalists should be up to the job - it's their core function.

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They hardly needed to dig in this case. The facts were handed to them on a plate - the person being lied about publicly announced that they are trans!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/02/2024 19:19

They hardly needed to dig in this case. The facts were handed to them on a plate - the person being lied about publicly announced that they are trans!

I wonder if they knew that would happen or didn't think it would. I've seen some more pictures of "Scarlet" today and there's no covering up the sex of this person in the flesh.

EsmaCannonball · 20/02/2024 22:21

When I first read this story I just knew the defendant would turn out to be a man. The reporting is so blatantly dishonest. Do media organisations never reflect how deeply entrenched their sexism is when they pretend women are guilty of male-pattern violence?

pronounsbundlebundle · 20/02/2024 22:26

I would definitely crowdfund for any victim's family to take the media outlets lying about their awful ordeal to court. There really needs to be some accountability for imposing further trauma via blatant lies on people who have already lost so much.

It was the same thing for K Dolatowski - using of women's pronouns and no care given about the poor child attacked by him who managed, unbelievably, to get away from a 6ft 5 man but was nevertheless traumatised according to the one news report where they'd bothered to ask her parents about the impact on their child, rather than all the other news outlets falling over themselves to wrong sex this paedophile, hence covering up the extent of his crimes.

IcakethereforeIam · 21/02/2024 00:52

That Reduxx article is grim. It has this 'Ashlynn' as a girlfriend though. I thought that person was another tw?

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