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Scarlet Blake trial - the thing that never happens....

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CousinGreg55 · 19/02/2024 16:13

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24129077.oxford-murder-accused-not-accepted-transgender/

There was a thread a couple of weeks about this case that got deleted. Obviously it's an ongoing trial but it's as we suspected with the defendent.

Murder-accused tells court parents did not accept her as transgender

Scarlet Blake, is on trial at Oxford Crown Court charged with the murder of Jorge Carreno who was found in Parsons Pleasure.

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24129077.oxford-murder-accused-not-accepted-transgender

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ArabellaScott · 27/02/2024 08:16

CousinGreg55 · 27/02/2024 08:10

JFC. Metro jump the shark and reveal their seething woman-hatred.

Merrymouse · 27/02/2024 08:57

pickledandpuzzled · 27/02/2024 07:19

Variety joining in now- what’s enraging is this sudden use of ‘Transgender woman’.

This piece is almost evenhanded, but the use of transgender woman is almost as disingenuous and obfuscating as ‘woman’. M

And JKR and Louise Tickle did not call Scarlett a transgender woman. What with Scarlett being a man. Think I might start with trans man as short for trans identifying man or transgender man. It will help everyone with clarity 😉

To imply that she wanted him to be described as transgender suggests that she thinks that is more relevant than his sex, which is the opposite of the point she was making.

Myalternate · 27/02/2024 09:02

CousinGreg55 · 27/02/2024 08:10

That page no longer exists.

UltraLiteLife · 27/02/2024 09:07

Myalternate · 27/02/2024 09:02

That page no longer exists.

Usefully, someone screenshot it.

https://x.com/millihill/status/1762398882904875148?s=20

Scarlet Blake trial - the thing that never happens....
pickledandpuzzled · 27/02/2024 09:16

UltraLiteLife · 27/02/2024 09:07

😮😮😮

Well well well. Charming.

Chersfrozenface · 27/02/2024 09:16

Myalternate · 27/02/2024 09:02

That page no longer exists.

Interesting.

So, was it that a social media bod followed the usual line, JKR is Satan, yay transgender, then someone further up in the organisation saw which way the wind was blowing and deleted the whole thing?

Or did the social media bods just not like the ratio and deleted the whole thing because they were losing?

pickledandpuzzled · 27/02/2024 09:18

I thought we were all supposed to be respectful? Is that only to people who agree with us? Or only to people with special identities?

Where’s the PP who was telling us all to be respectful to the murderer gone when hes’s needed?

Merrymouse · 27/02/2024 09:19

Re: deleted Metro tweet, Is it that some people just aren’t aware of the staggeringly different sizes and profiles of male and female prison populations?

Can they genuinely not understand why it’s a problem to deliberately obscure patterns of male and female offending?

I also think there is a reason why the TVP, who had to deal with the consequences of the crime, are not affirming any of Blake’s fantasies in their report. But the press reaction was to just jump right in (and never question why they weren’t also describing Blake as a cat).

ArabellaScott · 27/02/2024 09:20

pickledandpuzzled · 27/02/2024 09:18

I thought we were all supposed to be respectful? Is that only to people who agree with us? Or only to people with special identities?

Where’s the PP who was telling us all to be respectful to the murderer gone when hes’s needed?

Not to women. Only to men, or whatever men are calling themselves today.

ArabellaScott · 27/02/2024 09:21

Merrymouse · 27/02/2024 09:19

Re: deleted Metro tweet, Is it that some people just aren’t aware of the staggeringly different sizes and profiles of male and female prison populations?

Can they genuinely not understand why it’s a problem to deliberately obscure patterns of male and female offending?

I also think there is a reason why the TVP, who had to deal with the consequences of the crime, are not affirming any of Blake’s fantasies in their report. But the press reaction was to just jump right in (and never question why they weren’t also describing Blake as a cat).

That tweet was purely an exercise in hating of JKR, as a feature of general misogyny. Not really much else to it, imo. They cannot miss a chance to put the boot in when a woman dares to speak up.

Merrymouse · 27/02/2024 09:23

ArabellaScott · 27/02/2024 09:21

That tweet was purely an exercise in hating of JKR, as a feature of general misogyny. Not really much else to it, imo. They cannot miss a chance to put the boot in when a woman dares to speak up.

Well yes, I suppose ‘sadly opened her mouth’ says it all.

ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 27/02/2024 09:38

I think there have been changes in attitude with the public, and within the police, courts and prison services, but not within the press. So we are seeing a press who are widely out of step and are reporting in a way that seems bonkers.

The number of tweets and articles that have to be deleted or rewritten should be a wake up call to them.

CorruptedCauldron · 27/02/2024 13:53

How nice of the Metro to jump in and scold a woman for “sadly opening her mouth”. Good on them for leaping to the defence of a cold-blooded murderer and cat killer whose lady identity must be affirmed and respected at all costs. JKR is such a baddie isn’t she? What a bunch of misogynistic virtue-signalling wet wipes.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/02/2024 20:31

@SinnerBoy

Yes, I said that it was factually incorrect. Who gets to send them?

If you are able to see notes, unless everyone on X can (which happens when they've been voted as accurate by lots of people with different views), you can rate them so must have registered for the community notes programme. To write them yourself takes a bit more time, have you registered quite recently?

SamuelDJackson · 28/02/2024 05:35

That is a well written statement from the Thames Valley Police

'Throughout this investigation and trial, Blake has shown to be a character that lacks empathy and has lived life in fantasy, devoid of reality, with a complete lack of any remorse or compassion.'

When you read the court evidence this is someone who is unmoored, unhinged from everyday things, who has connected with what sounds like other equally disturbed individuals into this unreality. The recent Brianna Ghey murder is another example of what can happen when individuals retreat into a fantasy world (but its been seen many times before eg Parker-Hulme case).

Did Blake start off like this as an individual at 12? unlikely but the online milieu he seems to be in reminds me of the Aimee/Ashton Challenor situation, with a certain type of niche sexual content being shared between equally disturbed individuals, with individuals being so soaked in this that their values and sense of acceptability drifts very far from social norms. It makes me very doubtful that validation of the fantasy of being the opposite sex, reifying this unreality, and sense of disconnection is a good thing for the individual or society generally, and very very skeptical of the benefit of online 'supportive' communities that arise in these situations. Its also strange to think what a difference it made that he was in a situation where he could order anything at the click of a mouse to make these fantasies true eg cat trap, piano wire for homemade garotte - without engagement with other people.

RoyalCorgi · 28/02/2024 09:21

ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 27/02/2024 09:38

I think there have been changes in attitude with the public, and within the police, courts and prison services, but not within the press. So we are seeing a press who are widely out of step and are reporting in a way that seems bonkers.

The number of tweets and articles that have to be deleted or rewritten should be a wake up call to them.

I don't think that's true, unfortunately. The reason that the PA report of the trial, which all the newspapers relied on, described Blake as a woman and used the pronouns "she" and "her" was because that was how Blake was referred to in court, presumably by both the judge and the barristers. I expect the police documentation will also have referred to Blake as a woman.

Although everyone is getting het up, justifiably, about the Guardian, the real problem is much wider.

SecondRow · 28/02/2024 10:49

SamuelDJackson · 28/02/2024 05:35

That is a well written statement from the Thames Valley Police

'Throughout this investigation and trial, Blake has shown to be a character that lacks empathy and has lived life in fantasy, devoid of reality, with a complete lack of any remorse or compassion.'

When you read the court evidence this is someone who is unmoored, unhinged from everyday things, who has connected with what sounds like other equally disturbed individuals into this unreality. The recent Brianna Ghey murder is another example of what can happen when individuals retreat into a fantasy world (but its been seen many times before eg Parker-Hulme case).

Did Blake start off like this as an individual at 12? unlikely but the online milieu he seems to be in reminds me of the Aimee/Ashton Challenor situation, with a certain type of niche sexual content being shared between equally disturbed individuals, with individuals being so soaked in this that their values and sense of acceptability drifts very far from social norms. It makes me very doubtful that validation of the fantasy of being the opposite sex, reifying this unreality, and sense of disconnection is a good thing for the individual or society generally, and very very skeptical of the benefit of online 'supportive' communities that arise in these situations. Its also strange to think what a difference it made that he was in a situation where he could order anything at the click of a mouse to make these fantasies true eg cat trap, piano wire for homemade garotte - without engagement with other people.

All of this.

There was even evidence given by Blake about his interaction with Jorge Carreño that Blake viewed it is similar to being in a video game, along the lines of "I spoke to someone as a quest, and then it was time for me to this way and I told him to go the other way".

It sounded like when a lie is based on a partial truth, but the "quest" was really to kill someone.

HPFA · 28/02/2024 11:15

The faulty logic from TRAs really stands out (yet again).

We apparently shouldn't be discussing the person being a trans woman because that associates trans people with violence.

But if Scarlet had just been described as male without any reference to trans status then this story wouldn't be anything like as big as it is.

The only reason Scarlett's trans status is being discussed is because of the insistence on describing Scarlet as "a woman".

Make that make sense.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2024 11:20

And though all the TRAs on social media are throwing their toys out of their prams over it, they can't expect for

a) this brutal sexually motivated murder/animal torture and killing described as being by a "woman" not attracting any scrutiny, excitement or speculation because it would be such an unusual crime, and

b) women angrily pointing out that he isn't actually a woman and this proves our points about male pattern violence and sharing spaces with these men.

They will be the architects of their own downfall, ultimately.

Boiledbeetle · 28/02/2024 22:23

Fuck me! So officially this is our crimes!

Scarlet Blake trial - the thing that never happens....
duc748 · 28/02/2024 22:27

That might end up all being for the greater good, though.

Boiledbeetle · 28/02/2024 22:28

duc748 · 28/02/2024 22:27

That might end up all being for the greater good, though.

At some point all this shit has to trigger the WTF response in the general public.

WarriorN · 29/02/2024 07:21

Wtf?! I thought that someone said on woman's hour it wouldn't be?

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