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Scarlet Blake trial - the thing that never happens....

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CousinGreg55 · 19/02/2024 16:13

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24129077.oxford-murder-accused-not-accepted-transgender/

There was a thread a couple of weeks about this case that got deleted. Obviously it's an ongoing trial but it's as we suspected with the defendent.

Murder-accused tells court parents did not accept her as transgender

Scarlet Blake, is on trial at Oxford Crown Court charged with the murder of Jorge Carreno who was found in Parsons Pleasure.

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24129077.oxford-murder-accused-not-accepted-transgender

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/02/2024 12:31

I've just done a google search, it's all from a couple of days ago except the Oxford Mail summary about the "genocide" comment posting the video, which I shared here yesterday.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/02/2024 12:32

It really is quite blatant, isn't it?

SecondRow · 22/02/2024 12:58

There is this BBC article from two days ago, which begins,

"A woman accused of killing a man... "

but does go on a few paragraphs down to say

"Ms Blake, who is a trans woman..."
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68337604

No byline, I might just pop back and check if that's standard for court reports from BBC South.

Jorge Carreno

Jorge Martin Carreno death: Murder accused pretended to enjoy killing cat - trial

Scarlet Blake livestreamed the killing of a cat months before allegedly murdering Jorge Martin Carreno.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68337604

Chersfrozenface · 22/02/2024 13:26

The most recent story on the BBC News website, Oxford section, uses only female pronouns and descriptions for both Blake and Bell who, for the avoidance if doubt, are biological males.

The byline is
"By PA Media
BBC News"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68350809

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/02/2024 13:32

A woman has said her alleged confession to the murder of a man found dead in a river was lies, a court heard.

No, a woman did not.

IcakethereforeIam · 22/02/2024 14:16

If the courts, the press, the BBC will believe and print something that is demonstrably false, that this man is a woman. I don't understand how they can possibly doubt anything else he says. What's the point of the trial. Fgs, he's said he didn't do it, case closed.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/02/2024 14:19

He's literally just a man with a gender identity. He doesn't have a GRC by the sound of it. He has a penis. He committed a very male typical crime (sadistic animal cruelty) and is alleged to have committed another one.

SecondRow · 22/02/2024 15:26

On the subject of "At least it's not genocide".

As I understand it, the law in Florida which Blake was referring to and feels IS genocidal towards trans, and a reason why Blake and Evie Brockman felt they had to leave that state, is the one which expands the death penalty to anyone who "commits sexual battery upon, or in an attempt to commit sexual battery, injures the sexual organs of a person less than 12 years of age."

Chersfrozenface · 22/02/2024 15:41

SecondRow · 22/02/2024 15:26

On the subject of "At least it's not genocide".

As I understand it, the law in Florida which Blake was referring to and feels IS genocidal towards trans, and a reason why Blake and Evie Brockman felt they had to leave that state, is the one which expands the death penalty to anyone who "commits sexual battery upon, or in an attempt to commit sexual battery, injures the sexual organs of a person less than 12 years of age."

The death penalty for the genital mutilation of children does seem a bit extreme

A decade or two in prison seems more reasonable.

ArabellaScott · 22/02/2024 16:12

SecondRow · 22/02/2024 12:25

I understand the prosecution's closing speech in the trial of Scarlet Blake was yesterday but can't find any mainstream media reporting of it. Surely the BBC and Sky etc haven't got cold feet after the evidence that came out earier this week? They were quite interested at the start of the trial...

There is one article behind a paywall on the Oxford Mail website (their live blogs from the other days of the trial were quite detailed). Anyone see anything else from yesterday, the closing speeches or summing up?

Seems the Oxford Mail stopped live blogging a couple of days ago.

WAiting for the judge's summing up now.

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24137272.defence-case-speech-scarlet-blake-oxford-murder-trial/

'You have to be sure': Closing court speech for murder-accused woman

A woman accused of killing Jorge Martin Carreno has had her defence barrister providing his closing speech in Oxford Crown Court today.

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24137272.defence-case-speech-scarlet-blake-oxford-murder-trial

pickledandpuzzled · 22/02/2024 16:17

If the death penalty had a place anywhere, it would be for the sexual battery or genital injury of a child. I could be persuaded.

And shocking that Blake felt at risk of that punishment for that crime. Charming man.

duc748 · 22/02/2024 16:21

I just put 'Scarlet Blake' into the search function on BBC News. Only mention is an early report of the trial (of a woman, natch), dated 14th February. Nothing since.

ArabellaScott · 22/02/2024 16:30

duc748 · 22/02/2024 16:21

I just put 'Scarlet Blake' into the search function on BBC News. Only mention is an early report of the trial (of a woman, natch), dated 14th February. Nothing since.

There's more than that. Try 'Jorge Carreno'. It's all been on the 'Oxford' tab as local news.

pickledandpuzzled · 22/02/2024 16:45

That’s an awesome photo of Jorge. Superficial I know, but it catches my attention every time.

ButterflyHatched · 22/02/2024 17:01

Unremittingly grim - what a mess of a human being.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/02/2024 17:10

As I understand it, the law in Florida which Blake was referring to and feels IS genocidal towards trans, and a reason why Blake and Evie Brockman felt they had to leave that state, is the one which expands the death penalty to anyone who "commits sexual battery upon, or in an attempt to commit sexual battery, injures the sexual organs of a person less than 12 years of age."

I'm not a supporter of the death penalty for anyone at all, I've always been opposed on moral grounds. But this law would only be "genocidal" for trans people if the majority of them are thought to be sexually abusing children. Which sounds a bit transphobic to me as a proposition.

Melroses · 22/02/2024 17:15

SecondRow · 22/02/2024 12:25

I understand the prosecution's closing speech in the trial of Scarlet Blake was yesterday but can't find any mainstream media reporting of it. Surely the BBC and Sky etc haven't got cold feet after the evidence that came out earier this week? They were quite interested at the start of the trial...

There is one article behind a paywall on the Oxford Mail website (their live blogs from the other days of the trial were quite detailed). Anyone see anything else from yesterday, the closing speeches or summing up?

I wonder if they lost interest when they realised it wasn't a woman after all.

It is a big crime for a woman, more mundane for non-women.

IcakethereforeIam · 22/02/2024 17:16

Would it apply to people encouraging children to undergo 'gender affirming care'? I think it would definitely apply to doctors and surgeons administering the 'care' but might it also catch those pushing the ideology.🤞

Although, in most cases, I think the death penalty is a little extreme.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/02/2024 17:17

What would they be doing with younger than 12 year olds?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/02/2024 17:19

I wonder if they lost interest when they realised it wasn't a woman after all.

It is a big crime for a woman, more mundane for non-women.

It is, but I think it's more likely that the trans element makes it a bit hot to handle for a local paper.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/02/2024 17:19

It's odd for them to live blog this far and abandon it.

CousinGreg55 · 22/02/2024 17:32

Presumably the journalist in the courtroom would have known from the start the defendent was trans

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Chersfrozenface · 22/02/2024 17:54

CousinGreg55 · 22/02/2024 17:32

Presumably the journalist in the courtroom would have known from the start the defendent was trans

What a journalist sees and what a journalist is allowed to say are now two different things.

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