Trans women feeding chemical ridden milk to babies - approved by NHS

[Heylo]

Are people aware of this?
This has gone too far. Throwing women and children under a bus is one thing. Now babies.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13095965/Row-hospitals-say-hormone-filled-milk-trans-women-born-male-just-good-baby-real-thing.html?ito=native_share_article-top

Anything that looks like it might be informative, then !

I’ve 3 children. 2 boys (3 yr old twins) and a 20mth daughter. I’ve breastfed all 3. The only ‘erotic’ feeling I had was my uterus contracting.

Totally agree.

When you, personally, cannot recognise male entitlement, we as a group are trying to help you to see what you cannot.

I explained where the male entitlement was very clearly. Did you miss it?

Here it is again, it was the bit where you attempted:

"To wedge in the unnatural process of a male person feeding an infant into medical policy and to attempt to minimise the known paraphilia that is likely to motivate such a thing. The examples of male entitlement are literally jumping out of these threads."

See, I can see clearly why you would be embarrassed at having this pointed out to you.

Have you forgotten Mika. This is happening. If I remember, this was the same NHS trust (but I could be wrong)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12258633/Trans-activist-posts-image-breastfeeding-child.html

I sort of agree that if MN are going to selectively delete reasonable posts then it's fairer to delete the whole thread than leave it so one sided.

However, I think when we're talking about men trying to simulate breastfeeding for men's own selfish interests, then we should be able to exercise our human right to free speech, no matter if people complain.

There is only one possible motivation for men wanting to do this, when their bodies aren't designed to. Women shouldn't be deleted for saying it as it is.

If there's just one sided deletions it's unfair - Butterly's bollocks assertions aren't being deleted despite being obvious nonsense and against scientific fact, I notice.

Fuck off with your "chest feeding". Seriously.

That you are supporting this utter horror show just shows how little regard you have towards women and children. All you want is validation for men pretending to be women, and it's the worst kind of misogyny.

The lack of support I received at the beginning of my breastfeeding journey due to the midwives' lack of knowledge on the effects of tongue-tie led to me sobbing with pain in the early hours of the morning for WEEKS whilst feeding my daughter. I was determined to get through it, I wanted to breastfeed by daughter because I knew it was right for us. Thanks to a free breastfeeding support group, run by women, and my daughter's tongue-tie being cut at 6 weeks, it resolved itself. But for me it was more painful and difficult than childbirth.

We women do not need men's help to breastfeed our children, we need proper breastfeeding support from other experienced mothers and midwives. THAT's what needs funding.

I don't think the fact TRAs live in Brighton says anything about the NHS trust. There's no information to suggest that person was lactating or had NHS input into said lactation.

It's pretty gross though. Poor baby. (FWIW that baby looks asleep not like its BF so i think it's performative. Pretty fkin ridiculous you'd get deleted from FB for posting that if you were female, yet male is all over the papers)

I believe that an endrocrinologist at that trust enabled that person to feed that infant. We found plenty about it at the time. It was not just a 'daily mail' article. It was across lots of media at the time.

What am I reading? You don't just start growing glands ffs.

Your understanding and "theory" is totally, 100%, bafflingly wrong. The Telegraph is wrong too. This is not about a trans debate but a totally basic scientific fact.

All humans including males already have the anatomy (nipples, mammary glands, and pituitary glands) necessary to lactate.

It's the hormones they don't have, though in some cases males start naturally lactating. One of my DH's friends started lactating due to a condition and wasn't at all pleased when the doctor reassured him it was safe for any potential babies to drink!

Again no comment on the trans thing. Just saying "men need to take chemicals to grow glands" is rubbish and makes us women sound like total idiots. It's induced by the same hormones that make women lactate.

I also know a woman who couldn't lactate at all, and had to take probably the same mass quantity of estrogen and progesterone a trans man would have to have. Was she poisoning her baby? No, I doubt so. I prefer research to Mumsnet.

That said, I think whether for men or women, there's probably still some risk. It's stupid, ridiculous and vain for both genders – assuming people are doing it on purpose (rather than the article exaggerating cases that are the result of hormone therapy that's already occurring, not that I support hormone therapy but it is what it is).

I also know a woman who couldn't lactate at all, and had to take probably the same mass quantity of estrogen and progesterone a trans man would have to have

Why would a transman be taking estrogen and progesterone? Do you mean a transwoman?

Deranged.

If it's simply question of men taking female hormones, how come they're not doing it as a matter of course?

There are reams and reams of information about this online, of men spending six months only to get out two drops.

The man in question produced one ounce a day.

(Plus, he had been taking testosterone suppressants which would be in the milk , which also contained his own naturally occurring testosterone which was of magnitudes more than any woman could ever produce, despite the suppressants).

Are you a transwoman?

If not, this doesn't apply to you.

Huh? I never said it was a good idea (both for men, and for cis women – note: I don't like qualifying cis women instead of just women, but as the post I've quoted below shows, crazy people abound – with conditions who have to take massive quantities of drugs just to get a few drops – I would just formula feed at that point), only that men don't have to take drugs to grow glands, and it's hysterical rubbish to say so.

OK sure, that makes you a transman/transwoman too then. You are deranged to the level of dangerous stupidity

I didn't say you said it was a good idea, I asked why more men didn't do it.

From what I'm understanding of your post, it meant that if men simply take female hormones, they can lactate just like women. They've got all the anatomy, they just need the hormones.

Because that doesn't appear to be the case. These men are taking female hormones. And they're not lactating just like women.

Well, as you've said,

1. results aren't guaranteed and you'd prob require lots of drugs

2. if you're asking why most men don't do it, why would they?? There are probably side effects on your mood etc. Plus whether it's internalised misogyny or something more harmless, would you believe most men DON'T want to breastfeed like a woman? As I said my friend wasn't exactly pleased when he started lactating.

My (unscientific) concern would be the quantity of drugs as I said. All I'm saying is no one is bloody growing glands, it doesn't work that way.

Where are these men getting babies from in order to "chest-feed" them?

Surely this is illegal?

if you're asking why most men don't do it, why would they??

Well the thing is, we have a ready-made cohort, who desperately want to. That's why they would.

And they will take any and all drugs required to make it happen. Indeed, they are already on female hormones. The whole idea is to mimic the female experience as much as possible.

And they still can't.

So that was my question.

You said the anatomy was there they just needed the hormones.

That doesn't seem to be the case, otherwise these men would be doing it.

But I appreciate you're just talking about glands. And that in terms of hormones, you are coming at it from an un-scientific basis.

That's not meant to sound snarky. I genuinely would like someone who does have a scientific background to clarify.

I think it's their own children.

The one who found it exciting said it was his own child, as far as I remember.

"The letter said "human milk" is the "ideal food for infants" " - not arguable surely? Just a statement of fact.

Oh come on @AdamRyan this is not just a statement of fact, there is an agenda in the way it’s been framed. Calling it ‘human milk’ instead of breast milk, for one. And that’s before we get on to the fact that it’s shoehorned into a statement about males using drugs to artificially induce lactation.

It’s there to position the drug-induced secretions of the male nipple as somehow wholesome and nutritious for infants. As if this whole horror show is somehow a-ok and not a massive exercise in placing newborns in harm’s way in order to serve the higher priority of placating deluded men.

What? You don’t even make sense, I asked you a simple question for clarification, how does that make ME trans and dangerously stupid?! 😂

Do you understand that a transman is a woman who identifies as a man? And a transwoman is a man who identifies as a woman?

When we are talking about transwomen we are all talking about men. With penises (in case that's not clear).

I think the "deranged to the level of dangerous stupidity" petard truly hoisted @canyouread here 😂