Trans women feeding chemical ridden milk to babies - approved by NHS

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Are people aware of this?
This has gone too far. Throwing women and children under a bus is one thing. Now babies.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13095965/Row-hospitals-say-hormone-filled-milk-trans-women-born-male-just-good-baby-real-thing.html?ito=native_share_article-top

Those male people who lactate without intervention, have serious health conditions. They have a hormonal imbalance that often due to a condition that requires treatment.

Male people who do not have that medical treatment require a significant drug regime to firstly develop the breast tissue to maturity and then stimulate lactation.

Just because a doctor is ill informed and told your friend that it was safe for breastfeeding, doesn't mean that it is. The study that is decades old of the male with that health condition only measured some of the nutritional value. It never measured the hormonal or other compounds in the secretion.

Rather than calling women who have read this case 'hysterical', maybe you should read the thread.

They are 'maturing' body parts however. Without that development, requiring the hormones to be present, it doesn't happen. You saying 'they are not 'growing' body parts' is really not quite correct either. But no one is calling your hysterical.

And they also seem to lack the receptors etc that female breasts develop with maturity.

I don't think you understood my post. I said woman, I meant woman, and they started going on about transmen

Maybe give yourself a new username, unless it’s meant to be ironic? From your own post:

I also know a woman who couldn't lactate at all, and had to take probably the same mass quantity of estrogen and progesterone a trans man would have to have. Was she poisoning her baby? No, I doubt so. I prefer research to Mumsnet.

That's what the people who are publicising the letter intend, but without seeing the letter its impossible to know.

I dislike gender neutral language but I'm pretty sure the "human milk" bit is to assuage the feelings of lactating trans men (ridiculous sentence) so I'm suspicious why it's being used in an article about TW.

To be fair to canyouread the title of the thread and the articles are all a bit of a stretch from what's actually being reported:

Trans women feeding chemical ridden milk to babies - approved by NHS

Jesus H Christ, me&my daughter just read that! It's vile all those mens stories were about how wonderful they were, fetishists the lot of them! It made me so angry.
How do the babies benefit from this, why are the nhs condoning this vile practice?!
I am so done with all of this bullshit, womens rights are disappearing before our eyes, with child abuse thrown in for good measure, but we are cruel bigots if we question it!

I dislike gender neutral language but I'm pretty sure the "human milk" bit is to assuage the feelings of lactating trans men (ridiculous sentence) so I'm suspicious why it's being used in an article about TW.

See, I don't think it's there to spare the feelings of transmen, who, by and large, are not jack-booting over half of society and trampling them in order to centre their own selfish desires. They're not the ones bulliying others, from what I can see.

IME, this phrase is there to appease those men who want to breastfeed for one or more reasons and this is exactly why it's to be found here. It's no coincidence.

Men who want to breastfeed won't want a different term to breastmilk. They want to colonise all the terms. Any push for "human milk" won't be from them. They will be adamant they have breasts just like any other woman

"Jack-booting over half of society" what on earth are you talking about and what does it have to do with the NHS saying it's safe for both trans men and trans women who have appropriate breast tissue to feed their children?

This, and meanwhile, mothers get looked at askance when they dare to drink a glass of wine while breast-feeding or eat a prawn sandwich when pregnant.

For me the issue is that TW aren't mothers, the can't be due to their sex and by inducing breast feeding and feeding a child they are coming between the infant and its actual mother. The issue then becomes about their motivations for wanting to do this. Is it to provide the very best nutrition for the child or is it more to do with their sense of validation and satisfaction. Induced lactation in men is unsustainable as its literally not safe for them or the child to be on the drugs that induce lactation in them for any length of time, they don't produce much milk either or any colostrum. So we are left with the reality that these males are seeking to lactate and breastfeed for their own personal satisfaction while actively risking the child's health and wellbeing one way or another.

To me this makes it quite clear that males doing this shouldn't be accepted or supported by the NHS. If men what to risk their own health to lactate they can do it on their own dime, just leave babies out of it.

I have used one of the popular drugs used to induce lactation in the past for nausea and you have to be very careful with it as it can if taken in higher doses the kind of doses required to induce lactation in males it can cause sudden death by altering electrical signalling in the heart. As yet there isn't enough information to know if traces of this drug in breastmilk could be a serious risk to a baby's life. Males must take a high dose cocktail of such drugs to induce lactation and its unthinkable that they should be allowed to risk an infants health by trying to feed them this way for very dubious reasons.

Right so when you said :

"I also know a woman who couldn't lactate at all, and had to take probably the same mass quantity of estrogen and progesterone a trans man would have to have. Was she poisoning her baby? No, I doubt so. I prefer research to Mumsnet."

What you meant was a woman who identifies as a man would have to take the same quantity of female hormones as a woman who doesn't identify as a man?

What with them both being women, I should imagine that's unsurprising. Unless of course the transman was taking testosterone too.

Loving the faux naivety! 👌

Either that, or you’ve been living under a rock for the last six years and are, consequently, oblivious to the vile, bullying tactics of the TRAs and their misogynistic efforts to systematically strip women and children of their rights and safeguards.

Quite.

Maybe. We wouldn’t be having this unwanted and degrading change in terminology at all if it weren’t for the pushing of boundaries on behalf of trans women, though.

Absolutely.

It makes me sad and angry that I got no support in hospital for breastfeeeding because, "breastfeeding team don't work weekends." Yet NHS funding is available to serve something totally unnecessary, essentially to suit a male kink.

One of my DH's friends started lactating due to a condition and wasn't at all pleased when the doctor reassured him it was safe for any potential babies to drink!

Absolute utter and obvious lies. Your DH's friend may have said this but he was lying. There is no way a medical doctor would ever say a man's milk was safe to drink due to the fact they cannot possibly know and it would be against medical ethics to say something so blatantly false.

Making up a lie like this shows a staggering lack of knowledge of the standard GP / doctor line about breastfeeding. Firstly as PP have said a man who starts lactating has an. underlying medical condition - you clearly don't understand that many XX women who have underlying medical conditions can't breastfeed due to the risks to the baby.

Secondly, women are routinely told to stop breastfeeding and switch to formula because fairly standard drugs WHICH ARE ACTUALLY USED IN NEWBORNS don't have robust studies on how much passes into breastmilk. If you look at Hale's work on medicines and mother's milk lots of drugs just don't have the data. I was told to stop breastfeeding and switch to formula for a week because I was taking an antibiotic that is actually given directly to newborns who have infections once. Doctors are INCREDIBLY risk averse when it comes to infant health. If they don't know they won't advise anything.

Just simply didn't happen.

Maybe it was a doctor of philosophy?!!!

I need to see some links for that because I frankly don't believe it at the moment and Google is not turning anything up

LOVE the faux innocence of asking what we mean when we say women's rights are under systematic threat at every level, language has been co-opted, spaces are no longer single sex or safe, jobs have been lost, people have been taken to court, lives have been threatened, people have been doxed online.

But WHAT do you MEAN (flutters fake eyelashes).......

Just because the drug is the same doesn't mean men will be producing the same substance...

Oh and for what its worth, the structure of the male breast and female breast, though similar, is NOT the same. Females have lobules and glandular tissue that male breasts do not have.

Even a rudimentary Google search will show you that.

ButterflyHatched · Yesterday 16:10

"Jack-booting over half of society" what on earth are you talking about and what does it have to do with the NHS saying it's safe for both trans men and trans women who have appropriate breast tissue to feed their children?

Apart from anything else, the medical director is lying about the appropriateness of male breast fluid and its safety.

Apart from the fact that most people find it abhorrent.

The videos feom the BBC News discussion.last night. Personally I'm really suspicious about how this has blown up enough to be on BBC News

https://twitter.com/leng_cath/status/1759690284361756978?t=Ue3H927E1nBG28yZxD6WOQ&s=19

https://twitter.com/leng_cath/status/1759691253493461177?t=DV727F66-LotXCf6o57rmA&s=19