Lesbian members club to only allow biological women

[JanesLittleGirl]

"A FEMINIST campaigner is to open the UK’s first lesbian members bar that will only allow biological women to join.

The bar, named the L Community, is due to open in London later this year and will operate as a private members club so that it can bar trans women.

The bar has been set up by Jenny Watson, who in September last year was at the centre of a transphobia row after she insisted only “adult human females” could attend the lesbian speed-dating events she had organised."

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I'll get an archive link in a bit.

And women who want to date straight men as well as lesbian women are bisexual.

It's nauseating that in 2024 so many men think women's bodies are public property and owe them sex. They don't seem to care how rapey they come across.

Well its several months after she first set out to do this and she still doesn't have half the investment she needs, so your lack of doubt that the money will be there for it seems misplaced.

Not only that but other women are these men’s cheerleaders and enablers

Whether there is a sufficient market for this sort of venture seems highly relevant to the discussion.

Not really, it's up to her. We both know you and others have just come to this thread to sneer at lesbians who want a female only space.

And does it get down to specifics such as dating or getting together which could be more relevant for this bar

I've already posted data which shows that most lesbians aren't interested in sex with "trans women".

And it’s most certainly not the concern of men, no matter how they identify, yet they are the ones causing problems.

Does anyone have the data on what percentage of the population as a whole are lesbians and what percentage of transwomen are lesbians?

Transwomen make up a small percentage of the population and I would assume that the proportion of them that are lesbian would be vanishingly small.

0% of transwomen are lesbians.

They are heterosexual men.

Only on Mumsnet would it be considered on a thread about a new business to discuss the viability of that new business.

It's just mean spirited. Leave women alone.

0% of transwomen are lesbians.

They are heterosexual men.

This. Or bisexual.

My guess is that you'd be wrong.
I agree %age of population identifying as transwomen would be small.
Where I disagree is that within the transwomen group my bet would be that - The %age of transwomen who identify as lesbian would be much higher than the %age of the female population who are lesbian.

The %age of transwomen who identify as lesbian would be much higher than the %age of the female population who are lesbian.

I agree.

It's certainly what I've heard from lesbians who are on dating websites. Inundated with men.

And when women try to set up women only website, that's vociferously targeted.

Only on Mumsnet would it be considered on a thread about a new business to discuss the viability of that new business.

more disingenuous bollocks. It's about it being lesbian only.

The exact reason why you're trying to undermine it.

Do you seriously think people can't see this!!

😀

100% @Datun

Whoever this poster is, they'd only start to care about the viability of Jenny Watson's bar if it was successful, and then they'd be trying to undermine it, I imagine. Tedious disingenuousness.

I suspect like the desperate attempt to derail last night, it's cognitive dissonance and discomfort.

I’m sure it is.

I just wondered what the numbers were.

the 2021 census has pretty good data on this.
around 3% of people are LBG, ie around 3% of women are same sex attracted.

from the same source, around 0.5% are, one way or another, T.

the proportion of TW who are attracted to women is a much trickier number to get hold of, not least because of the very high propensity of this group to strive for ever more QA-type letters to describe their private lives, but Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_sexuality,) summarises a few surveys which to me suggest that roughly around half of TW are attracted to women.

in other words, around 0.25% of men might have a trans identity whilst still being female attracted. so there might be around 1 'transbian' for every 1 lesbian. enough to, depending on their level of CF-ery, mean you'd potentially expect at least one or two to show up at any decent sized L speed dating type event.

sorry 1 transbian for every 12 lesbians.

I think this, too - in the same way that the percentage of the male prison sex offender population identifying as trans is considerably higher than the percentage of sex offenders in the general (non-identifying) prison population.

Which other new business threads do you regularly post on?

Much the same ones as you I expect.

What happened to you was horrible. You poor little thing 💐💐💐

No. I’m not referring to She. You are WELL out of date, mate!

I’m referring to the new ‘lesbian bar’ run by a transmasc posted up thread. Can’t be arsed to refind the links for you seeing as you can’t be arsed to read the thread properly.

And the inconsistency isn’t mine, it’s all yours.

I personally think both the members club and the lesbian bar/trans tapas cafe have a shot at making a viable business (two different crowds with a small amount of overlap) but I would put my money on Jenny being the most successful because while the transmasc proprietor seems to be pretty popular/trendy in the Dalston area, they/them seems to have a lot of fingers in a lot of pies but no experience of running anything long term and they are spending £70,000 just to get started.

Terves obvs think AFAB transmascs can be lesbians because they are female, so it’s not terves who would be debating whether a transmasc belongs in a lesbian bar or not, hence me calling this new venture terf adjacent (partly a joke, but one based in material reality).