"Human Milk" ffs

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Not linking to DM (clicks) but an article on the app today talks about how one NHS trust has said that hormone fuelled milk produced by transwomen is equally as good for baby as breastmilk produced by women.

The director says the terminology Human Milk should be used as both milk types are equal.

In the letter, the Medical Director claims 'there is clear and overwhelming evidence that human milk is the ideal food for infants', referring to both breast milk and the 'induced lactation' of biological men

Ffs these poor babies.

The £££££ that has been thrown in faking shit for men so they can cosplay womanhood while actual disease and illness is left to fundraise for its own research is sickening.

Why do you think testing male secretions hasn't been done GreyDuck? And why do you think that the discussions about this focus on instances that involve babies?

Fuck these sickos. That is all. I am done.

They use drugs like domperidone to induce lactate in men with a fetish.

Domperidone ends up in the breastmilk and can case heart issues to the baby. This is known.

There is nothing safe or ok about this. Everyone promoting this should be in prison.

https://www.drugs.com/domperidone.html

One way to combat this would be to ensure close supervision of any trans parent who requests drugs to breast feed but I wouldn't have thought child in that situation would be at any more risk than any other child.

An easier way would be to put the needs of the baby front and center no?

No need for men to try and breast feed. They can do lots of other tasks when the baby is that young.

*OneMorePlant · Today 01:49

They use drugs like domperidone to induce lactate in men with a fetish.

But where's your evidence...

When a woman has gestated and birthed an entire new human, the very least any father can do is get over himself for a good few weeks and change every nappy, cook meals and clean the house. That's minimum decency. There isn't time for the man to indulge identity feelings. The woman will likely have had her identity ripped to sheds just by becoming a mother. Support her. Save male identity indulgence for a time when the mother and infant need you less.

It's not that difficult. Being trans doesn't have to equate to behaving so badly. The posters who try and defend this are doing trans people a huge disservice by painting them as selfish abusive arseholes.

I disagree that there needs to be more research into male "breast milk". It's pointless research. Women give birth, and lactate. If for any reason the mother can't breastfeed the baby, there are ample heavily-researched and suitably nutritious alternatives available. Why waste research funds on something so blatantly useless?

Surely he will be advised that the least he can do is take these perfectly safe drugs so that he can help out a bit and produce this perfectly safe and nutritious milk. After all it’s for the baby’s benefit, and this has nothing to do with anything else!

Or he could not.

He could support the mother of his child by.not pretending to be a woman and making it about himself.

He can do a million other things than indulge his own fantasies.

I'm guessing this particular gender surgeon doesn't have many friends in OBS and Gynae professions somehow... I do think future generations will look back at us and wonder what we were all on.

I think you are missing my point.

If the argument is that this benefits babies, then all fathers should be doing it. Trans identity should be completely irrelevant. They would have to grow breast tissue, but that seems fairly minor compared to the physical changes women experience, so who cares? Apparently this is all for the baby.

However, I suspect that if you do take identity and ego out of the equation the benefit and safety calculations make it immediately obvious that this isn’t a worthwhile pursuit.

I find it really interesting how some posters seem to have great difficulty with the concept of putting babies first.

Once you battle your way through the screeds and screeds of obfuscatory text about urging for more analysis, demanding suitably pure reference links, etc, the shining nugget at the centre is Fawning Over Menz Special Feelz.

And given this is an anonymous forum, they could easily be males themselves.

The internet isn't short of men with a lactation fetish.

I can guarantee that men who don't pretend to be women have ZERO interest in breastfeeding a baby and find it abhorrent.

There's no benefit to baby.

There's no need for time, money and thought to be put into this. Men don't need to do this at all. Men don't really want to be a woman and experience the shit that comes with it.... No TW wanting to do this is fighting for BF clinics to stay open, or promote it in women. They have ZERO interest in what a woman experiences when they struggle to feed their babies. They have e nonacceptance that part of being a woman is that sometimes, because you lost the genetics lottery you can't have babies, periods, breastfeed etc etc. they would accept that women have it hard in life. It isn't dressing up in a pretty skirt, wearing makeup and having an automatic ability to reproduce and feed a baby.

The time, money and thought should be put into helping support WOMEN breastfeed. Spend the money on support clinics that are closing left, right and centre. Spend the time promoting breastfeeding for women and where they can get support, spend it erasing the madness that came from the 1970s(ish) where somehow it's weird to BF your baby, or that women should cover themselves up... Erase the misogyny that made breasts sexual!

There is no world where this research/practice is useful in any other way than helping a man pretend he is a woman.

La Leche League "supports everyone who wants to breastfeed or chestfeed in reaching their goals". This would presumably include any father (or indeed any man) who doesn't 'identify' as a woman.

And 'goals' would include arousal. Not just gender euphoria.

I can guarantee that men who don't pretend to be women have ZERO interest in breastfeeding a baby and find it abhorrent.

I don’t think that is necessarily true - I would guess that objectively many fathers would find breast feeding convenient.
I’m not intrinsically revolted by the idea of a man breastfeeding. It’s just not something that male mammals do. Similarly they can’t fly (unless E.g. in a plane or attached to a glider)

I AM very concerned about prioritisation of affirmation of identity over care of a child, and think that is in itself dangerous.

That is why for me the test is whether it’s something that would be a worthwhile pursuit for all fathers, and the answer seems to be that it is only done for egotistical reasons.

You can't compare a mother producing breast milk (from being pregnant) containing her natural hormones to a man taking loads of drugs to try to lower his testosterone and produce some form of milk from his nipples.

I was heartened by the comments on the Times article about this. Outrage and despair.

The vast vast majority of people are rightly disgusted by this.

i was thinking about this. The times article referred to 'A profoundly gender-affirming experience' which seems a bit off to me. The focus should be on the baby not on someone getting woman-feelz.

But to be more serious: plenty of women have trouble breastfeeding leading to all sorts of mental health issues, some very serious. Perhaps the trans women who really want to bf should have access to the same mental health support as these women? That would be the best outcome for the babies, i feel.

It would be pretty easy to test the male breast product for nutritional content and for secreted levels of hormones and medication. I don't understand why these questions haven't been unequivocally scientifically answered already.

They have.

There is next to no nutritional content. Male "breast milk" is muck.

Over 4,300 comments under the Telegraph article - can't read them all but didn't see a single one supporting this.
Good to know that people recognise this for the abuse of babies that it is.

I strongly suspect that "gender euphoria" is arousal.

It is pus. They simply don't have the same breastmilk glands.

I'll try to find that photo of a tw expressing goo that was going round on twitter.

The look of glee on the tw's face was part of the ick for me. I can't say I've ever experienced "euphoria" when expressing BM myself. More just impatience because I need to get 90ml before I get back to work.

So they KNOW that this is actually harmful to infants - and they still encourage it?

Stop the world now. I need to get off.

Maybe. But a man pretending to be a woman has NO IDEA how it feels to not be able to feed your baby. Not really. He doesn't have the hormones, the instinct, the "shame", the emotional connection to what breastfeeding is.

The only thing the man has is a feeling of "being left out" he has no need, no entitlement, no biological primal urge to do this.
Why should men be accessing the scarce mental health services for women and women's issues?