"Human Milk" ffs

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Not linking to DM (clicks) but an article on the app today talks about how one NHS trust has said that hormone fuelled milk produced by transwomen is equally as good for baby as breastmilk produced by women.

The director says the terminology Human Milk should be used as both milk types are equal.

In the letter, the Medical Director claims 'there is clear and overwhelming evidence that human milk is the ideal food for infants', referring to both breast milk and the 'induced lactation' of biological men

Ffs these poor babies.

The £££££ that has been thrown in faking shit for men so they can cosplay womanhood while actual disease and illness is left to fundraise for its own research is sickening.

It's incredible that some people imagine that the onus is on people who object to this unnecessary and unnatural practice to prove that it's harmful and done for adult gratification rather than for a baby's benefit rather than for the proponents to prove that it's harmless and beneficial in some way.

If it’s all so safe all men should be doing it.

Quite!

Christ, those are shocking statistics. I wonder how many claimed to be trans before they were locked up!

Autogynaphilia is a fetish, where men want to try and mimic female bodily functions. Like breastfeeding, periods, and yes, even still birth.

The Internet abounds with transwomen faking periods, with pretend period kits, and shoving Tampax up their bums.

Many transwomen are AGP. Take Debbie Hayton, for instance, and his AGP story splashed across the times, The Telegraph and daily mail, last week.

It can also take the form of wearing women's clothes, coveting their anatomy, or indulging in what they perceive as their sex specific past times. Like knitting.

For more information, please go to the trans widows website, or the thousands and thousands of posts from trans widows on this very site. Or look at children of transitioners. A website for the offspring of men who transition, most, if not all, of whom have AGP.

Exactly!

I suggest you do your very own research on the paraphilias found in men. All men.

Including the male people, including trans people, who ask for used period products or who take them from bins. Some love tampons and 'insert' them.

They turn up on MN sometimes and the mods give them short shrift. They love to feed on women's period stories. Then there are the shit-fetishists. Not so many of them get through MN these days.

They are NOT female people. Your comment about 'female people do this too' really is showing ignorance. But maybe you see this type of return arguments on other sites and thought they were thought provoking or clever. Either way, I suggest you start reading and read some more, and then read some more. Many of us on this thread have been reading for years. There is still so much to learn.

I'd just had a chat with my daughter about transwomen's 'periods', she finds it bizarre! I am quite naïve I admit and I am a hopeless optimist, not sure why but it makes me happy to believe that people are ultimately good.

Although, when did I use the phrase 'female people'? Doesn't sound like me. And what do they do too? I genuinely only wanted to know where the information was coming from, I like learning things and I find the human body fascinating.

Please read this comment @BeautifulViews. It's really all you need to understand - especially if you're a woman and mother!

What the actual fuck whoever let their babies take part in this study should have them removed immediately it's actually insane!!

They're trying to reinvent the wheel when to me it's very simple if you want a biological child, use your sperm, live as a trans woman/whatever and bottle feed the baby like millions do 🤷‍♀️

Wasting NHS money on this bollocks makes me feel sick those poor babies getting experimented on for some sick fuckers pleasure is beyond belief and whoever authorised it and took part should be removed from the NHS

I use female people. For two reasons really. One it allows me to be very clear that I also include those trans people who are female that extreme trans activists often forget but also that they try to twist our words to portray us as forgetting. I do not forget these women and girls. It is also then very clear that I exclude those male people who want to be call themselves 'women'. Calling them male people makes points very clear even to those who call those male people 'women' or 'she'. It is hard to argue that some male people should be ex/included in female sports categories when you refuse to say 'some women should be ex/included in women's sports'.

Secondly, I use the term so I don't get deleted for non-use of pronouns or for misgendering. My posts often get reported as do many regulars. I have had to adopt this style of writing posts to increase my chance of not having my posts deleted.

My style of writing annoys many, my language is pretzelled so that I don't get deleted. 'Female people' is a term that I introduced to that post. For clarity.

Or perhaps let's not spend all this time and money on men pretending to be women, and perhaps spend it on actual women needing support to breastfeed.

I was referring to the fact that you suggested that female people might be sexually aroused by a baby feeding at their breast. If you didn't mean that, then I misunderstood and I apologise.

That Telegraph article now has over 3,400 comments - all completely disgusted at anyone in the NHS pushing this. Along with the John Lewis promoting breast binding / centring adults with fetishes it's been quite a weekend for showing what's going on.

So that's a few more than the 6 of us plus dog on this board

If any other man was forcing a baby to suck his nipples it would rightly be considered child sexual abuse.

So how come men who claim to be women must never have their motives questioned? Why do the most basic child safeguards not apply to THOSE men wanting babies to suck their nipples?

We are at the point where grown men are using babies to provide validation for their fantasy of womanhood or to give them 'euphoria' and being applauded and encouraged to do so.

The fact it is of no benefit to the baby is irrelevant to them. The man's feelings and needs are always priority.

In plain sight.

How fucking stupid or naive do you have to be to think that this male behaviour is harmless and in no way sexual.

Does anyone else remember there was a company in the USA who did fake glamour pregnancy shoots for male people? With all the make up and sheets draped over fake abdomens?

And that South American male model who used the infant as a prop suckling on their estrogen derived nipple for the queer photoshoot?

I was coming on to say the same.

I have read a couple of papers which say that the nutritional content is next to nothing - it is largely sebum IIRC.

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A short chat I would imagine, as transwomen don't have 'periods'

The reason this group of men can,t be questioned is because social workers/ SWE/nhs and CPS have all introduced ideological policies agreed with well funded trans groups like stonewall and punished staff who speak up about safeguarding concerns ( like rachel mead). Even the nspcc have ignored voluntary groups like children of transitioners who have raised safeguarding concerns.

How can a baby consent to being experimented on like this?

Honestly the world is going to hell.

I'd just had a chat with my daughter about transwomen's 'periods', she finds it bizarre! I am quite naïve I admit and I am a hopeless optimist, not sure why but it makes me happy to believe that people are ultimately good.

Well that's just lovely, but don't ever get involved in safeguarding, in that case. Because it relies on you thinking the opposite. Let's be grateful for those women who put themselves out there, in order to do that.

And just so you know, 98% of all sex crimes are committed by men, not women. 90% of all violent crime is committed by men. In fact most crimes are committed by men.

It's incredibly sex-specific.

And paraphilias cluster. So if you've got one, you likely to have more than one.

and they escalate.

OP: Darling daughter...what's all this about men shoving used tampons up their arse and calling it a period?
DD: yes darling mother, men are fucking weird aren't they? However, we can't say anything because we'll be called TERFS and other women will rush to defend their perversions.

end of conversation.

The term "Human milk" doesn't offend me at all, because of the long-used slogan "human milk for human babies" which is used to reinforce the naturality of breastfeeding against narratives that cow's milk is "normal milk" etc.

Questions about whether the substance produced by the transwomen is really "milk" are more relevant in my opinion.

It would be pretty easy to test the male breast product for nutritional content and for secreted levels of hormones and medication. I don't understand why these questions haven't been unequivocally scientifically answered already.

The really interesting question would be the other benefits - like antibodies. The parent will obviously share the same environment as the baby. If this feeding method gave the baby additional benefits (over formula) then it could be worth pursuing.

And before the "experimenting on babies" crowd jump in, I 100% would want to see this done as lab analysis.

I suspect that this mainly relates to couples where both parents are biologically female though (even if potentially one of them is a transman, which would perhaps explain the use of chest feeding). This doesn't necessarily feel hugely problematic to me for that reason, but I can see it would depend how this recommendation was interpreted.