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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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nothingcomestonothing · 10/02/2024 09:41

suggestionsplease1 · 10/02/2024 09:29

The hang up on singular definitions is misplaced.

For example, the top 4 countries in the world for achieving women's parity with men have all taken more relaxed approaches to gender self-ID

https://www.weforum.org/publications/global-gender-gap-report-2023/in-full/benchmarking-gender-gaps-2023/

They are not obsessed with achieving singular definitions, and they are performing the best for women in the world.

Why are you so hung up on this when these countries are showing you it is not necessary to be, in order to be at the very top of the league globally for women's parity and wellbeing?

Well yes, if your definition of women includes some men, it's easy to show increase in parity for women Hmm

GailBlancheViola · 10/02/2024 09:43

Well yes, if your definition of women includes some men, it's easy to show increase in parity for women

Well quite.

DialSquare · 10/02/2024 09:43

For example, the top 4 countries in the world for achieving women's parity with men have all taken more relaxed approaches to gender self-ID

Seeing as they've taken a more relaxed approach to self ID, how can they check women's parity with men? How are they sure the women are not male women?

Vebrithien · 10/02/2024 09:45

suggestionsplease1 · 10/02/2024 09:29

The hang up on singular definitions is misplaced.

For example, the top 4 countries in the world for achieving women's parity with men have all taken more relaxed approaches to gender self-ID

https://www.weforum.org/publications/global-gender-gap-report-2023/in-full/benchmarking-gender-gaps-2023/

They are not obsessed with achieving singular definitions, and they are performing the best for women in the world.

Why are you so hung up on this when these countries are showing you it is not necessary to be, in order to be at the very top of the league globally for women's parity and wellbeing?

For example, the top 4 countries in the world for achieving women's parity with men have all taken more relaxed approaches to gender self-ID

Could these advances in achieving women's parity with men, be simply because of men self-ID'ing into the women's group?

Men earn more than women (on average).
Enough men self-ID as women.
The average wage for 'women' rises.

Hurrah! Sex parity is achieved!

Except it isn't.

Gender parity, perhaps.

The old fashioned, cunty types of women, will still be left behind, on lower wages.

IcakethereforeIam · 10/02/2024 09:46

If it was just a pretty badge, I'd be fine with it. I might even wear one myself. But, it's not just a badge.

SinnerBoy · 10/02/2024 09:49

suggestionsplease1 · Today 09:14

Plenty of other posters on here are able to engage in banter and to mock ideologies. It pays to retain a sense of humour, rather than go through life in po-faced misery.

It's fun to mock bullies.

As for putting stickers on billboards, yes, I suppose it is criminal damage, but for goodness sake! You can't get the cops round for a burglary and it's more of a political statement. It's hardly advocating a new Guy Fawkes.

Do you want to criminalise wrongthink?

What if the next lot criminalise your opinions?

Yesnosorryplease · 10/02/2024 09:50

@suggestionsplease1

What is your definition of lesbian? What does it mean to you and your like minded peers to say "we are lesbian"?

I was peaked by lesbians I work with, who hate the rainbow lanyards and were genuinely scared by the "cotton ceiling" stuff and the takeover of lesbian bars, groups and dating apps by men.

I'm not gay, but I work with and have women in my family who are, and they all distance themselves from Pride and rainbow stuff because they feel it doesn't represent them at all.

They are responsible for my terven thoughts.

It's interesting that there is no one in your wider peer group who ever speaks against any of it. Is that because of genuine uniformity of approach do you think, or is there the possibility that they don't feel able to say anything for fear of being cast out?

DeeLusional · 10/02/2024 09:58

Yesnosorryplease · 10/02/2024 09:50

@suggestionsplease1

What is your definition of lesbian? What does it mean to you and your like minded peers to say "we are lesbian"?

I was peaked by lesbians I work with, who hate the rainbow lanyards and were genuinely scared by the "cotton ceiling" stuff and the takeover of lesbian bars, groups and dating apps by men.

I'm not gay, but I work with and have women in my family who are, and they all distance themselves from Pride and rainbow stuff because they feel it doesn't represent them at all.

They are responsible for my terven thoughts.

It's interesting that there is no one in your wider peer group who ever speaks against any of it. Is that because of genuine uniformity of approach do you think, or is there the possibility that they don't feel able to say anything for fear of being cast out?

Cast out, threatened with violence and death, sacked, libeled.......Ask JK, Maya Forstater, Jo Phoenix, Helen Joyce, Martina Navratilova, Julie Bindel, Kathleen Stock, and on and on.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 10/02/2024 10:01

Ah suggestions who thinks men can be lesbians

isnt that basically the end of the discussion?

DeeLusional · 10/02/2024 10:08

Vebrithien · 10/02/2024 09:45

For example, the top 4 countries in the world for achieving women's parity with men have all taken more relaxed approaches to gender self-ID

Could these advances in achieving women's parity with men, be simply because of men self-ID'ing into the women's group?

Men earn more than women (on average).
Enough men self-ID as women.
The average wage for 'women' rises.

Hurrah! Sex parity is achieved!

Except it isn't.

Gender parity, perhaps.

The old fashioned, cunty types of women, will still be left behind, on lower wages.

What is a "cunty" type of woman ???

DuesToTheDirt · 10/02/2024 10:11

Chersfrozenface · 10/02/2024 06:39

I wish I had your optimism.

Given the pledges Starmer made at the LGBT+ Labour event in Parliament on 29 January, I've a feeling Labour will divert money from actual healthcare to schemes like this.

Given that they've now ditched their £28bn climate policy, let's hope they wouldn't have money to waste on this trivia.

nothingcomestonothing · 10/02/2024 10:11

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ArabellaScott · 10/02/2024 10:13

FWIW I know lesbians who are enthusiastic supporters of gender ideology and lesbians who feel persecuted and targeted by gender ideology.

Funnily enough, lesbians are not a monolith and have diverse opinions, apparently. Who knew?!

What I don't know is a single lesbian who sleeps with men.

Chersfrozenface · 10/02/2024 10:15

DuesToTheDirt · 10/02/2024 10:11

Given that they've now ditched their £28bn climate policy, let's hope they wouldn't have money to waste on this trivia.

You may consider it "trivia".

The Labour party may well consider it very important indeed and worth spending a few millions on.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 10/02/2024 10:17

DeeLusional · 10/02/2024 10:08

What is a "cunty" type of woman ???

One with a cunt

DeeLusional · 10/02/2024 10:19

RufustheFactualReindeer · 10/02/2024 10:17

One with a cunt

Ah! lol.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 10/02/2024 10:20

😀

Vebrithien · 10/02/2024 10:22

DeeLusional · 10/02/2024 10:08

What is a "cunty" type of woman ???

Those with a body type designed around the production of large gametes. Those who have been called "women" for all of recorded history, until the last decade.

As opposed to those with a body type designed around the production of small, motile gametes.

mumda · 10/02/2024 10:26

Anyone who's read the freedom of information requests about this nonsense will be pleased it's stopped.

It is a disgraceful distraction against health care. It will have damaged many simple aspects of the NHS for years to come.

Vebrithien · 10/02/2024 10:28

RufustheFactualReindeer · 10/02/2024 10:17

One with a cunt

Although, I like that answer too!

Tinysoxxx · 10/02/2024 10:37

Meanwhile back at the coalface, real life doesn’t care for gender ideology. The money and time on this scheme should have been used elsewhere eg. for the benefit of everyone attending A&E to make sure ill patients at least get seen by a doctor before they die.

DeeLusional · 10/02/2024 10:39

Vebrithien · 10/02/2024 10:28

Although, I like that answer too!

Def best one 😁

BlueRidgeMountain · 10/02/2024 10:45

I've read the children of transitioners article linked above, and my god. That individual who has decided to simulate a pregnancy and still birth. What the fuck is wrong with people who decide to do something this horrific in order to fulfil some tick list of “womanly achievement”? I’ve experienced still birth, it was the single most traumatic event of my life. I literally thought my world had ended. At no point during that entire horror show did I sit thinking to myself that I’d achieved the pinnacle of womanhood and how validated I felt. Reading this has reduced me to tears.

FrancescaContini · 10/02/2024 10:48

EasternStandard · 10/02/2024 09:40

We say no on a female dominated chat forum and get Putin lobbed at us

Males punch, insult, threaten with violence including decapitation and it’s all rainbow land

Amazing how the word no meaning no consent prompts such retaliation

Yes, the Putin jibe was a bit desperate.

I have just watched the news this morning and heard the unspeakable tragedy of a young woman who died waiting in A&E. She’d arrived seven hours earlier with a headache, and suffered a brain haemorrhage. Waiting to be seen.

The NHS should have not a single penny available to spend on bullshit meaningless badges and flags and tick boxes if it cannot attend to its most basic, core duty of providing emergency care to people who arrive at A&E. It’s very very shameful.

Chariothorses · 10/02/2024 10:55

@BlueRidgeMountain I am so sorry for your loss x