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CHRIS003 · 09/02/2024 15:49

IcakethereforeIam · 09/02/2024 13:17

The quote at the end, heartwarming

Speaking to the NHS press team, a staff nurse said, “sometimes a baby will have two mums and I’ve noticed that some parents haven’t always felt comfortable being open with all staff members. Once I saw a mum looking at my badge and after that she knew it was okay to just be herself.”

but i imagine it continuing, 'she only saw my badge briefly as i was flying about because we're short staffed so i couldn't speak to her, take her to the loo or give her the water she'd asked for shortly after arriving seven hours ago.'

it doesn't matter whether a baby has two mums - a sick baby is treated exactly same by nursing & medical staff regardless of who the parents are

herewegoagainy · 09/02/2024 15:51

But the parents matter too. If a sick baby is in hospital for a long time, it is not just about the baby.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/02/2024 15:56

herewegoagainy · 09/02/2024 15:51

But the parents matter too. If a sick baby is in hospital for a long time, it is not just about the baby.

As a lesbian mother who did my fair share of hospital visits - A & E and longer term - the only thing that mattered was the health of the baby. What staff noticed or thought about my sexuality was irrelevant. I needed skilled well trained professionals,. Not whining, self absorbed medics emoting about lanyards, flags or identity politics.
A cup of tea or a hand on shoulder as baby was wheeled into the operating theatre was welcome - but that was it.

herewegoagainy · 09/02/2024 16:01

I am glad you had a good experience with medics. It did not used to be like that.

Chariothorses · 09/02/2024 16:01

Re the quote 'Once I saw a mum looking at my badge and after that she knew it was okay to just be herself' , for others it would have the opposite effect. It is also a safeguarding risk as they wouldn't be able to speak up eg about abuse.
https://childrenoftransitioners.org/2021/09/25/not-shutting-up/
NHS hospitals should be safe for all, not biassed for /against certain groups.

Not Shutting Up

The site received a lot of attention last week, when Maya Forstater kindly linked to one of our articles on Twitter. There were some lovely and positive and supportive comments from readers. Thank …

https://childrenoftransitioners.org/2021/09/25/not-shutting-up

nothingcomestonothing · 09/02/2024 16:33

Combattingthemoaners · 09/02/2024 15:31

Primacy of which group?

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Read the post above yours. A content warning for saying women give birth FFS.

borntobequiet · 09/02/2024 16:50

Combattingthemoaners · 09/02/2024 14:51

Why does it matter though if these groups wish to work with an organisation like the NHS to encourage equality? I’m asking a genuine question, not being confrontational.

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Because they are all grifters now. Maybe not in the past, but they are now.

Brainworm · 09/02/2024 17:12

One aspect of schemes like this is that they make leaders feel good about themselves in relation to 'doing DEI' without having to do anything. They can think/ say - look at us being all inclusive, aren't we great - without lifting a finger to identify what the health inequalities that keep being raised are and what evidenced based changes could/would improve things.

I wonder what performance indicators relating to reducing inequality were set at the point of rolling out the scheme, and how the scheme has done against these. I fear that the PIs were along the lines of 90% of staff will use pronouns in their email signatures and when doing a spot audit - 95% of staff on any given ward will be wearing a rainbow badge or lanyard. Success of these schemes are often measured by levels of compliance with the initiatives, rather than whether the initiative is having an impact in the areas it was designed to address.

I am very much in favour of health equality and improving the nation's health. If Ls, Gs, Bs or Ts have specific issues accessing healthcare, I am all for these being addressed. If the Rainbow Badge scheme hasn't helped to improve things, it should be binned and a better initiative brought it.

DeeLusional · 09/02/2024 17:15

RethinkingLife · 09/02/2024 13:26

You likely have an email about it and MN might well tell you why and if it was a particular term.

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I've had comments deleted without an email.

Brainworm · 09/02/2024 17:20

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/02/2024 15:56

As a lesbian mother who did my fair share of hospital visits - A & E and longer term - the only thing that mattered was the health of the baby. What staff noticed or thought about my sexuality was irrelevant. I needed skilled well trained professionals,. Not whining, self absorbed medics emoting about lanyards, flags or identity politics.
A cup of tea or a hand on shoulder as baby was wheeled into the operating theatre was welcome - but that was it.

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My sister is a lesbian. She finds it tiresome when dealing with others in relation to the assumption that her partner is male and the father of her children. She doesn't however assume people are bigoted or have a problem with her sexuality. She infers that people just make assumptions based on what is typical/ most common. She actually finds a simple mistake arising from an oversight easier than people making a big deal of referring to her 'partner' and then being very self satisfied when discovering its a woman'.

She lives in a cosmopolitan and diverse city. She does encounter some homophobia, she also encounters people trying to 'you're so amazing and brave and special' her. Neither are comfortable. I expect many Rainbow Badge wearers fall into the latter.

RethinkingLife · 09/02/2024 18:13

Combattingthemoaners · 09/02/2024 14:51

Why does it matter though if these groups wish to work with an organisation like the NHS to encourage equality? I’m asking a genuine question, not being confrontational.

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On a slightly tangential but relevant point, have you read this?

AUTHOR=Gribble Karleen D., Bewley Susan, Bartick Melissa C., Mathisen Roger, Walker Shawn, Gamble Jenny, Bergman Nils J., Gupta Arun, Hocking Jennifer J., Dahlen Hannah G.

TITLE=Effective Communication About Pregnancy, Birth, Lactation, Breastfeeding and Newborn Care: The Importance of Sexed Language

JOURNAL=Frontiers in Global Women's Health

VOLUME=3

YEAR=2022

URL=https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgwh.2022.818856 

DOI=10.3389/fgwh.2022.818856   

ISSN=2673-5059

Effective Communication About Pregnancy, Birth, Lactation, Breastfeeding and Newborn Care: The Importance of Sexed Language

On 24 September 2021, The Lancet medical journal highlighted an article on its cover with a single sentence in large text; ‘Historically, the anatomy and physiology of bodies with vaginas have been neglected.’ This statement, in which the word ‘women’...

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgwh.2022.818856

DeeLusional · 09/02/2024 18:25

Chariothorses · 09/02/2024 16:01

Re the quote 'Once I saw a mum looking at my badge and after that she knew it was okay to just be herself' , for others it would have the opposite effect. It is also a safeguarding risk as they wouldn't be able to speak up eg about abuse.
https://childrenoftransitioners.org/2021/09/25/not-shutting-up/
NHS hospitals should be safe for all, not biassed for /against certain groups.

That was heartbreaking 😥

RethinkingLife · 09/02/2024 18:31

DeeLusional · 09/02/2024 18:25

That was heartbreaking 😥

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Which makes it all the more frustrating and profoundly irritating that the empathy and sympathy is with the attention-seekers rather than the transwidows and children.

Does anyone recall the NI politician or public figure who died within the last 1-3 years and there were paens of praise being ladled out by fellow public figures? Until the widow and children spoke up about how abusive he was and the impact he'd had on their lives? After which the tweets etc. then disappeared.

We don't hear from the people affected. And we don't have a decent evidence base about them. They're invisible in so many dimensions and it seems that no official body cares enough about this to investigate the evidence gap and collate data.

Froodwithatowel · 09/02/2024 19:16

Chariothorses · 09/02/2024 16:01

Re the quote 'Once I saw a mum looking at my badge and after that she knew it was okay to just be herself' , for others it would have the opposite effect. It is also a safeguarding risk as they wouldn't be able to speak up eg about abuse.
https://childrenoftransitioners.org/2021/09/25/not-shutting-up/
NHS hospitals should be safe for all, not biassed for /against certain groups.

Wow that is a powerful and very sobering read.

DeeLusional · 09/02/2024 19:32

RethinkingLife · 09/02/2024 18:31

Which makes it all the more frustrating and profoundly irritating that the empathy and sympathy is with the attention-seekers rather than the transwidows and children.

Does anyone recall the NI politician or public figure who died within the last 1-3 years and there were paens of praise being ladled out by fellow public figures? Until the widow and children spoke up about how abusive he was and the impact he'd had on their lives? After which the tweets etc. then disappeared.

We don't hear from the people affected. And we don't have a decent evidence base about them. They're invisible in so many dimensions and it seems that no official body cares enough about this to investigate the evidence gap and collate data.

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Some little chinks are beginning to appear in their cloak of invisiblity/invulnerability.

mumda · 09/02/2024 20:50

How much time money and effort did they waste?

RethinkingLife · 09/02/2024 20:57

RethinkingLife · 09/02/2024 18:31

Which makes it all the more frustrating and profoundly irritating that the empathy and sympathy is with the attention-seekers rather than the transwidows and children.

Does anyone recall the NI politician or public figure who died within the last 1-3 years and there were paens of praise being ladled out by fellow public figures? Until the widow and children spoke up about how abusive he was and the impact he'd had on their lives? After which the tweets etc. then disappeared.

We don't hear from the people affected. And we don't have a decent evidence base about them. They're invisible in so many dimensions and it seems that no official body cares enough about this to investigate the evidence gap and collate data.

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David Tweed was who I meant.

David Tweed's stepdaughter criticises unionist politicians who lauded the 'paedophile and a violent thug'' following his death in a crash

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/11/20/news/david-tweed-s-stepdaughter-criticises-unionist-politicians-who-lauded-the-paedophile-and-a-violent-thug-following-his-dea-2514085/

NHS Rainbow badge scheme good news
agent765 · 09/02/2024 22:55

mumda · 09/02/2024 20:50

How much time money and effort did they waste?

This is something I would love to know.

SinnerBoy · 10/02/2024 04:51

Yes, because what we're all suggesting is carting people off to the gulag, if they display rainbow flags.

Oh wait, it's not at all.

Codlingmoths · 10/02/2024 04:59

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 09/02/2024 12:59

Good for now, but yes, this seems inevitable unfortunately.

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I don’t know- if the budget is canceled then labour would have to find it again, given the state of the nhs that’s not a given

Chersfrozenface · 10/02/2024 06:39

Codlingmoths · 10/02/2024 04:59

I don’t know- if the budget is canceled then labour would have to find it again, given the state of the nhs that’s not a given

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I wish I had your optimism.

Given the pledges Starmer made at the LGBT+ Labour event in Parliament on 29 January, I've a feeling Labour will divert money from actual healthcare to schemes like this.

EasternStandard · 10/02/2024 07:28

Labour’s spending plans are folding like a house of cards and will continue to

They could easily push LGBTA as their only differentiator and given recent speeches looks like something they’d do

ArabellaScott · 10/02/2024 08:04

EasternStandard · 10/02/2024 07:28

Labour’s spending plans are folding like a house of cards and will continue to

They could easily push LGBTA as their only differentiator and given recent speeches looks like something they’d do

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I'm reminded of the SNP, who are not so good at things like infrastructure and education, but are enthusiastically pouring money time and energy into a bill to ban conversion therapy, the GRR bill, the Hate Crime Bill.

Comparatively cheap, I suppose, at least on the face of it. But with potentially disastrous consequences.