Starmer furious that Sunak should mention his definition of ‘woman’

[HagoftheNorth]

PMQ’s today, Sunak highlighted Starmer’s famous comments that some women have a penis. Starmer was furious that Sunak should make that comment while Mrs Ghey was in the chamber. Surely Starmer should realise that it is possible to be respectful and compassionate about trans people without parroting the insane lie that transwomen are women (because ‘woman’ is sex not gender)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68229785

They weren't to know that, she was running late. Starmer introduced his PMQs by referencing the fact she was in the gallery, Sunak wouldn't have known any different. You can't readily see the public gallery from the dispatch box.

It was a cheap jibe, regardless of whether Brianna's mother was there or not. Whatever your views on the issue it deserves better than being used for point scoring.

Both outlets will side as they do on this

It is not a cheap jibe though is it? It is a fact that keir does not know what a woman is which he immediately proved by bringing up a natal male case.

It's not really relevant to the thread but it's very concerning that it's on video showing politician A saying one thing then politician B bringing in a totally separate issue and the msm along with social media all have a jolly time whipping up outrage blaming politician A for what politician B said in a desperate quest for interactions. We really do live in a post-truth world.

what was the actual exchange?

In a long list of things keir is incompetent at / has u turned on rishi said
You don't know what a woman is, well 1% of them anyway

I am sure that somewhere in the Tory party it will have been decided to make that remark today. Sunak doesn’t write this stuff himself. I suspect that it was a calculated decision to increase the publicity that the remark will get in order to remind a large number of voters of Labours policy, and Starmers actual words that 99% of women don’t have a penis.

Yes, if only we had a woman PM.
Oh, wait a minute…

Well yes @Boomboom22 But we aren't allowed to talk about facts apparently

Sorry haven't had time to read all thread, but saw comment about FPTP and adversarily politics and agree.

But what is obvious is that when something like this happens the consequences from it aren't about how we as voters responde to it, but how the media decides to whip it up (and on occassions ignore).

The BBC are going full out on this, heavily signalling what "right think" be. Weasel ED on PM just dredging it up again.

The problem is having an arguement for a free press is based on the assumption that the free press in honourable, unbiased and fact checked. Not sure that any country has this.

Some of us might have thought we did in that past, but now it is so blatant.

News is now just a version of reality tv. Trip up the participants and then bate the public into a pile on.

Not saying it doesn't mean it's not true.

TW aren’t women. Brianna Ghey being murdered doesn’t change that. Esther Ghey wasn’t in the chamber so not sure why this all blew up, political point scoring.

Don’t be so bloody rude.

I didn’t say Sunak brought it up AND it was announced that Ghey’s mother would be at PMQs before Sunak made the comment, even if she wasn’t in the gallery at the time.

So your accusations are inaccurate.

The BBC are very one sided on this, and other stuff

LBC covering it now. That well known bastion of lefties.

I agree , Kemi can say the same thing but she keeps things factual and serious .

it was not what he said but the presentation . None of the trans debate is funny .

it was not the main reason for the murder anyway but they keep using it for their agenda and it might make you wonder if the transition had not been allowed if the child would still be alive ?

And yes it’s media fodder

The state of the BBC is embarrassing at times

I Can almost hear Malcolm Tucker over Rishi’s shoulder….

Kemi is doing her best to restore common sense .

Brianna was 16 therefore could not be classified as an adult. Woman being defined as Adult Human Female.

I can’t believe how much adults have messed up society with this stuff via the law

It’s harmful to dc

We've lost our collective sense and next up will be laws prohibiting people pointing out the madness it is

It was a really tawdry exchange, all round. Sunak couldn't resist it even though it was incorrectly believed that Mrs Ghey was in the public gallery (she's been on the news since and as far as I can see, is carrying herself with great dignity), and Starmer's Affronted Outrage was like something out of a pantomime. I cringed, both ways!

How fucking dare Starmer weaponise this atrocious psychopathic murder? I lost track of which way his flop has flipped on the TWAW issue but it isn't, and shouldn't ever, be the point when discussing Brianna's murder. And he needs to sort out, very clearly, what he and the Labour party believe on this. As it is, I'll never vote Tory, ever, but I have nobody left to vote for. Can I bring myself to spoil my ballot for the first time ever?

(I did note that in summary, I think the judge alluded to the fact that Brianna was trans as a factor in the murder but not the main motive. If you remember, earlier on during the trial, I think it was being said quite clearly that the killers weren't motivated by transphobia or because BG was trans, so that seems to have changed. But this was an appalling murder by deeply disturbed young people, it shouldn't become a football in this context.)

I couldn't stand to watch it. Smug rich men laughing and jeering at each other like it's Eton debate club. Meanwhile a child is dead, a mother is grieving and the country is in shambles.

It was inappropriate to say it in front of a mother who is grieving her murdered child. Sunak doesn't seem to have much commonsense, didn't he ask a homeless man if he was in business or something? Total fool.