Just 5 trans women in women’s jails - Inside Time article

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The latest figures, from the Offender Equalities Annual Report, related to March 2023. In March 2022 there were 162 trans women in male jails and six in female jails. Trans women who have had their new gender legally recognised with a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) are not included in the figures. There were 13 prisoners with GRCs, but the report did not specify whether they were trans women or trans men.

https://insidetime.org/newsround/just-5-trans-women-in-womens-jails/

There is a very good piece of writing entitled 'Pronouns are rohypnol' on the Fair Play for Women website which details how many people are extremely wary and concerned at being, hmm, 'encouraged' to use human pronouns which are at variance with known reality.
Whether it's legal coercion or not, it is putting one particular person's feeling way above another's and the validation for the first person is the only thing that's important. It's expecting people to ignore the evidence of their own eyes. Gaslighting or what?
Personally, I've had enough of 'being kind.' It's nothing more than a one-way street.
And for RMNofTikTok to dismiss a page or more of distressing evidence from current and former incarcerated females because some (but not all) are in a different prison system totally ignores that these women were talking about their genuine, ever-present terror of being locked up with males. It is clearly illustrative of how women feel in these conditions and seeing as there may still be some TW (who really knows?) in the women's estate, there are likely to be women here who are experiencing that fear. It's not acceptable.

Karen white should never have been placed in female estate, I think I've already covered that

No, I said prisons don't usually have time to create supportive communities

So in general they keep men safe.

No I said "as safe as possible". That's not safe lol. They just prevent prisoners from killing each other most of the time, and sometimes they can't even do that.

To be fair, I would agree with that!

I don’t buy into the concept of gender, so the idea of misgendering is meaningless. People have a sex, that is all. I do not see why I should pretend that I think they are of the opposite sex.

If a man wants me to call him Jane, I’m happy to oblige, and I’ll refrain from using pronouns and sex-based honorifics in his presence, or to his friends, if using facts upsets him.

@RMNofTikTok so are you saying that for a man or woman with gender dysphoria who makes the effort to present and conduct themselves according to the stereotypes they associate with the opposite sex in order to relieve their dysphoria, you are happy to use non sex based pronouns (i.e. they or perhaps cross-sex) and consider this a compassionate response to that individual?
Is that a fair representation of your position?
What I am saying is that I also feel that I am responding compassionately but may choose to stay with sex-based pronouns. Would you consider that to be transphobic or deliberately hurtful? (I have asked that before but you didn't answer. It's fine if it's not in your interests to answer, I'm just curious.)

Well if that's the benchmark, so be it.
Men of all stripes and any gender can take up the challenge if they wish. It's still not womens problem to solve

You can change your pronouns but not your prostate status.

Prostates and those who have had protastes removed, have not business being in a women's prison.

Because they are male.

Women are not male.

Side issue, but men don't have their prostates removed as part of gender reassignment surgery. Prostate havers remain prostate havers.

I know.

I'm covering bases for men who might have had it surgically removed for actual medical reasons...

He. He is a multiple rapist and a paedophile. He is not they. He has multiple aliases but they’re all the same man. He went to a women’s prison because he was called “she” and convinced everyone he wasn’t a threat, because some people can’t see the reality of the impact of any man in a women’s prison, especially when you’re pretending to yourself he’s a woman. The women themselves aren’t asked. It’s just assumed based on observed non-verbal behaviour. Everything is fine if women aren’t obviously cowering.

Karen White is a rapist. One of his victims was injured so badly she may never have children. Like fuck I'll respect his pronouns or anything about him.

He deserves to be kept safe from harm in the male estate and that's as much sympathy as I will afford him.

Like fuck I'll respect his pronouns or anything about him.

Also, like fuck I’ll avoid male pronouns to keep other people happy. About any male prisoner. Or any male.