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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Starmer: "trans-inclusive" conversion therapy ban, "modernise" the GRA, all hate crime to be aggravated offences as part of making every child "proud and confident"

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ResisterRex · 30/01/2024 10:26

Exclusive in Diva, following a reception at a LGBT+ Labour event in Parliament on 29 Jan:

https://diva-magazine.com/2024/01/29/exclusive-keir-starmer-lgbtqia-rights/

"“We’ll strengthen the law, so every category of hate crime is treated as an aggravated offence,” Starmer said. “We’ll cut NHS waiting lists for LGBT+ people waiting for urgent physical and mental health care. We’ll modernise the Gender Recognition Act. We’ll implement a full, trans-inclusive, ban on all forms of conversion therapy. We fully support the view that conversion therapy is psychologically damaging abuse.”

“We are committed to a decade of national renewal and will work with all the organisations in this room tonight so every child can feel proud and confident in who they are, to stand up for LGBT+ rights at home and abroad and to get Britain’s future back.”

The mention of children is unclear but must have a background to the full speech? LGBT Labour hasn't tweeted about it but others have. Rayner and Dodds also in attendance.

https://x.com/djrm94/status/1752057964767101041?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

https://x.com/stevenatkins/status/1752256944843162016?s=46&t=WHoOZZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

x.com/anuox/status/1752094930074325420?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

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DerekFaker · 30/01/2024 16:33

Shouldgetupearlier · 30/01/2024 16:22

If people are blasé about this, they should read up about what they want to do in Maine - the authorities want to take children away from their parents so they can be affirmed. Also, I believe, happening in other states.

It's utterly chilling, isn't it?

And yet so many on the left cannot understand why Trump may have a good chance of getting elected again!

lifeturnsonadime · 30/01/2024 16:33

Shouldgetupearlier · 30/01/2024 16:22

If people are blasé about this, they should read up about what they want to do in Maine - the authorities want to take children away from their parents so they can be affirmed. Also, I believe, happening in other states.

Like something out of a Stephen King novel (all set in Maine)

WickedSerious · 30/01/2024 16:38

lifeturnsonadime · 30/01/2024 16:33

Like something out of a Stephen King novel (all set in Maine)

Taking children away to be 'affirmed',creepy as fuck.

upthehill24 · 30/01/2024 16:42

Ageism and Disablism are like Sexism, in being theoretically banned by equality law, yet somehow being "less equal than others". By definition, there is no equality, as soon as there is a priority group, e.g. when some are defined as protected by the term 'hate crime' and some are not. Or when Racism was first protected as the single prejudice defined as a criminal offence, enforced by police, and therefore "more equal than any".

PaterPower · 30/01/2024 16:44

His continued stance, towards women and their safety, is what will stop me lending Labour my vote later this year.

What he’s willing to say in public, with an election looming, is the watered-down version of what he and the party want to implement.

And if this is what they’ve deemed is safe enough (ie won’t scare too many horses) for public release, then WTAF will the reality look like?!

TheBayLady · 30/01/2024 16:48

At least he is honest, Labour hate women. It really is that simple

FigRollsAlly · 30/01/2024 16:49

Curtainscoper · 30/01/2024 15:50

This concerns me a lot as it seems to preempt the Cass Review and ignore the known issues around defining conversion therapy as it pertains to children experiencing gender distress.

I’m less concerned by the woman/cervix quote. The guy’s a lawyer and the law says woman can have penises. However one may feel about it, that just a statement of legal fact and any politician who denies or ignore that is an ignorant or conniving fuck.

Also less concerned by the reduce nhs wait times for lgbt - this is typically vacuous political guff and says nothing about prioritising that group over others.

The woman/cervix thing wasn’t just Starmer saying “well, legally some men can have a cervix, it’s what we lawyers call a legal fiction” he said it was “something that shouldn’t be said” and looked acutely uncomfortable, as if someone had just used really bad language or said something racist.

Flowers4me · 30/01/2024 16:52

I'm not voting to spite anyone; I'm exercising my democratic right to vote whoever I chose and whoever I feel is best suited to fight for my rights and that of my daughters. Labour are fools; if they feel empowered to say this pre-election can you imagine the stuff they'll come out with if they get in power. No way am I risking a vote on a women-hating party.

LondonLass91 · 30/01/2024 16:55

Anothenamechange · 30/01/2024 14:50

Found it: this what you get when you follow the money. Absolutely ducking terrifying and this is why you will
never read or hear the word 'woman' in any context in America any more, medical, social or otherwise.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/billionaire-family-pushing-synthetic-sex-identities-ssi-pritzkers

Fucking hell that's scary..

bellinisurge · 30/01/2024 16:56

Hilarious thing in all this is that the looney troons won't trust him either.
Fuckwit

Curtainscoper · 30/01/2024 16:56

Thanks @FigRollsAlly I’d not realised that. I so want him not to be crap, as he looks so very likely to be the next prime minister.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 30/01/2024 16:56

Arseholes. I admit I was wavering, but there's no way I'm voting for them after that.

Hepwo · 30/01/2024 17:09

Thankfully the main reason for the low number of surgeries taking place is the lack of clinicians willing to do it in this country.

You can't force them to do it.

The T seem to forget this in their long list of grievances.

What's Starmer going to do about that? Start flying teenagers to Thailand to be made into ladyboys at taxpayers expense?

WallaceinAnderland · 30/01/2024 17:09

DerekFaker · 30/01/2024 16:18

(Why is it referred to as gender confirmation surgery of sex and gender aren't the same thing?)

Because they are having surgical intervention to make the outer body appear to resemble the gender they identify as.

They are not changing sex because, well, that's not possible. So they remain the sex they were when they were born with a slightly modified body.

DerekFaker · 30/01/2024 17:11

WallaceinAnderland · 30/01/2024 17:09

Because they are having surgical intervention to make the outer body appear to resemble the gender they identify as.

They are not changing sex because, well, that's not possible. So they remain the sex they were when they were born with a slightly modified body.

But bodies are sexed not gendered.

We are constantly being told that sex and gender are different and that women can have penises.

SinnerBoy · 30/01/2024 17:14

Hepwo · Today 17:09

What's Starmer going to do about that? Start flying teenagers to Thailand to be made into ldybys at taxpayers expense?

Please! Don't be giving the deranged idiot any ideas.

WallaceinAnderland · 30/01/2024 17:19

But bodies are sexed not gendered.

Exactly. Your sex is what you are born with and can't be changed.

EwwSprouts · 30/01/2024 17:25

Anothenamechange · 30/01/2024 14:50

Found it: this what you get when you follow the money. Absolutely ducking terrifying and this is why you will
never read or hear the word 'woman' in any context in America any more, medical, social or otherwise.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/billionaire-family-pushing-synthetic-sex-identities-ssi-pritzkers

Both at WEF Davos to discuss energy. Be interesting to know if they had a chat.
Pritzker https://www.illinois.gov/news/press-release.25908.html
Starmer https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/uk-news/2023/01/19/keir-starmer-tells-davos-uk-will-lead-global-clean-power-alliance-if-he-becomes-pm/

79redballoons · 30/01/2024 17:45

I was really hoping to vote labour next time but I just can't vote for this

SidewaysOtter · 30/01/2024 17:46

Flowers4me · 30/01/2024 16:52

I'm not voting to spite anyone; I'm exercising my democratic right to vote whoever I chose and whoever I feel is best suited to fight for my rights and that of my daughters. Labour are fools; if they feel empowered to say this pre-election can you imagine the stuff they'll come out with if they get in power. No way am I risking a vote on a women-hating party.

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Quite. DadJoke has yet again stomped in to give us his manly opinion on why we wims are wrong Hmm

Emotionalsupportviper · 30/01/2024 18:17

Hepwo · 30/01/2024 12:49

It's nonsense isn't it?
Will I just have to announce that I'm bisexual to get seen sooner for urgent treatment?

I can be a gay man if that's quicker?

That won't work - they only use the G, L and B for clout - the real "Golden Ones" are that must vulnerable and marginalised group in the world - the
TQQIP2SA (Transgender, Queer, Questioning, Intersex, Pansexual, Two-Spirited, and Asexual). There are many more - 150+ at the last count I read of.

Who knows - there may even be a "greased weasel" gender for Mr S!

Emotionalsupportviper · 30/01/2024 18:20

FigRollsAlly · 30/01/2024 16:49

The woman/cervix thing wasn’t just Starmer saying “well, legally some men can have a cervix, it’s what we lawyers call a legal fiction” he said it was “something that shouldn’t be said” and looked acutely uncomfortable, as if someone had just used really bad language or said something racist.

looked acutely uncomfortable, as if someone had just used really bad language or said something racist.

Or stated the truth.

mumda · 30/01/2024 18:26

Should people send the link to this thread to their labour councillors and MPs?

Or are we seen as a blip against the nonsense?

JanesLittleGirl · 30/01/2024 18:28

mumda · 30/01/2024 18:26

Should people send the link to this thread to their labour councillors and MPs?

Or are we seen as a blip against the nonsense?

There's no point. Everybody who is on TRSOH knows that there are only 6 of us and a bunch of sock puppets.

EasternStandard · 30/01/2024 18:29

mumda · 30/01/2024 18:26

Should people send the link to this thread to their labour councillors and MPs?

Or are we seen as a blip against the nonsense?

Labour can’t see this stuff it doesn’t register