Starmer: "trans-inclusive" conversion therapy ban, "modernise" the GRA, all hate crime to be aggravated offences as part of making every child "proud and confident"

[ResisterRex]

Exclusive in Diva, following a reception at a LGBT+ Labour event in Parliament on 29 Jan:

https://diva-magazine.com/2024/01/29/exclusive-keir-starmer-lgbtqia-rights/

"“We’ll strengthen the law, so every category of hate crime is treated as an aggravated offence,” Starmer said. “We’ll cut NHS waiting lists for LGBT+ people waiting for urgent physical and mental health care. We’ll modernise the Gender Recognition Act. We’ll implement a full, trans-inclusive, ban on all forms of conversion therapy. We fully support the view that conversion therapy is psychologically damaging abuse.”

“We are committed to a decade of national renewal and will work with all the organisations in this room tonight so every child can feel proud and confident in who they are, to stand up for LGBT+ rights at home and abroad and to get Britain’s future back.”

The mention of children is unclear but must have a background to the full speech? LGBT Labour hasn't tweeted about it but others have. Rayner and Dodds also in attendance.

https://x.com/djrm94/status/1752057964767101041?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

https://x.com/stevenatkins/status/1752256944843162016?s=46&t=WHoOZZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

x.com/anuox/status/1752094930074325420?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

Kemi saying she's not a plotter, while being a member of a group about plotting and allegedly actually plotting shows she's not reliable.

The Crerar article does not provide evidence of this. At best, Kemi is in an existing WhatsApp group which is having new, unproven intentions laid on the group. Like a new name, which is in quote marks, giving it the feel of having been lawyered before the article was published. There's no evidence she's taken part in discussions about "plotting". At best there is some argument that there are others (Gove) reportedly around her, with views she's best as leader. But even then it's unclear if she and he have made up and are friendly again. For an "exclusive", it's vague at best.

@AdamRyan Judge politicians by actions, not words. Kemi has been instrumental in getting out school's guidance, Kier wont even speak to women. Not really interested in whether she is plotting to be the next leader of her party, I'm not a tory party member,

I don't think labour = good and worthy and virtuous.

I think the current bunch Conservatives are venal liars, as has been proven in numerous legal judgements, inquiries and investigations. There appears to be a culture of lying.

I think lots of people want to believe Labour/Starmer are "just as bad" so they can feel reassured in doing what they want to, e.g. voting for a bunch of venal, self serving liars because they are the right wing option.

I haven't seen any evidence at all of Starmer lying. So I personally don't understand this refrain that he's not trustworthy but the Conservatives are

Well Adam, if you don't think saying one thing to appease the TRAs and saying another to appease women who want Labour to put women and children first makes the leader of the opposition party untrustworthy on this issue then that's up to you.

Thank you for that reminder Floisme. It is just another reason that posters have been rightfully suspicious of the seeming change of mind that never quite rang true and that it is was all linguistic obfuscation. Trying to convince as many people as possible that the party is 'for them'.

So Adam, you assume that people want to believe that labour are 'just as bad' to justify voting for the tories. Well believe what you like, but for me its clear the labour party are not properly listening to women and if they won't listen and understand the issues we face, then I will go elsewhere (undecided at the moment). Women's rights are a big deal for me - I've witnessed the affects on women when their rights are trodden on and I've had enough of the shit that women are supposed to put up with. Labour need to get real and understand the barriers women face because until they do, they have no chance of winning my vote.

If Starmer's lips are moving he's lying.

Are you genuinely comparing my wait for five months, to have a biopsy that had to be performed to find out if I had a malignancy that would require further surgery and follow up treatments, that should have taken less than a fortnight, to people waiting 3 years for free cosmetic surgery which is poorly evidenced and pretty much being performed because it was requested?

How offensive can you get.

PS, hrt stands for hormone REPLACEMENT and therefore, anyone taking cross sex hormones is not taking hrt.

Women are used to being ignored, being talked over, having to take up less space. Arrogant men overlook us wise women, quietly getting on with our lives. They think our rights are so unimportant that we should give them away.

I am one of those women and I am sick of it now.

Stupid men with their stupid opposite meanings for words letting men like Lia Thomas strip off in front of young, embarrassed women, letting men like Eddie Izzard switch from boy to girl mode by putting on pink lipstick, letting male rapists into female prison cells and showers and on and on it goes. Every stupid man tripping over themselves in their rush to prop up other stupid men.

I am sick of playing pretend and I am sick of men telling me what to think, do and say. I will vote tory as a protest vote against Labour over this single issue. Something has to happen to make them take notice of us.

I'm so sorry you have been through that. Sadly you aren't an isolated case. I've a family member go through similar and it is a malignancy, still waiting for a surgery date.
This all needs sorting out as a priority. Not weasel words.

Not sure why people keep bellyaching over people voting Tory. It has been said time and time again that many of us spoil our ballot, and have been doing for some time.

As far as I'm concerned I vote for a local MP, not necessarily a party, and going forward I'll vote for any candidate that I like and can trust on issues that matter to me. Currently, I have a Labour MP, Kim Johnson ( Liverpool, Riverside). She''s awful. Full on TWAW. Mermaids logo on her twitter account. Refers to Israel as a 'fascist' state; refuses to meet with her constituents on the issue of single sex spaces and services. Performs terribly in the house and on the 'Women and Equalities committee'.

There is not a chance I'll be voting for her.

So sorry to hear this @Clabony and @Yesnosorryplease - its an awful situation and one that we experienced in my family too. I find it offensive too that people can be so dismissive of waits for urgent biopsies. Time is of the essence when dealing with possible malignancy; its a good use of resources if clinicians can treat quickly and prevent further intensive treatment.

I think lots of people want to believe Labour/Starmer are "just as bad" so they can feel reassured in doing what they want to, e.g. voting for a bunch of venal, self serving liars because they are the right wing option.

I think you want to believe that all the people - mostly women - saying they will vote Tory over this issue were closet Tory voters all along, and have just been waiting for an excuse to show their true right wing colours.

That’s bollocks as far as I’m concerned and I’d put good money on it being the case for many here. Not least because I think Labour are WORSE because of their untrustworthiness, constant slippery behaviour in terms of some Labour MPs and, in the case of others, their out-and-out misogyny. It sticks in my craw to say this but I trust the Tories more on this issue.

I wouldn’t say I’m right wing, I believe in free, good universal education, free and good universal health care and a society that takes care of its weaker members so they have a good and dignified standard of living.

But I also believe in the immutability of biological sex and the importance of women’s rights, spaces, safeties and identities. And I’m prepared for that to be the deciding factor on how I vote.

So if that makes me “right wing” in your book well, I guess I’ll just have to find a way to live with your disapproval

I am so tired of this tribal 'GOOD PEOPLE vote x with the GOOD TRIBE even when the good tribe is utterly fucking them over and doing things that no decent people could possibly stand behind' and anyone who doesn't vote Like Me and My Tribe Is Bad.

Some of us are capable of making decisions not tribally based.

Labour’s economic policies are pretty woeful anyway and then this gender stuff on top

A party can dance up and down dressed in red and wagging flags and identifying loudly as left with all the soundbites.

If their policies are anti women, anti child safeguarding, anti BAME and multi culturalism, anti disability, anti religious tolerance and pro male supremacist exclusion and harm of women in the name of men's sexual rights? And pro corrupt lobbies and colonalist tactics, classist and snobbish, anti democratic?

They are not leftist or socialist. In any way. They are just busy kidding themselves while quite liking the image and the feelz. And hoping people will believe the illusions is a time limited thing, with that trust currency and tribal habit now being more or less squandered and spent.

How do you think voting for the party that's been in power for the last 13 years is going to make men take women seriously?

If it was voting for a change I'd understand but voting for the status quo expecting a change makes no sense to me.

How do you think voting for the party that's been in power for the last 13 years is going to make men take women seriously?

If they are voted back in despite being a terrible government, Labour will have to ask themselves why. Labour has to learn to listen if they want the landslide votes.

They are not leftist or socialist. In any way.

But they identify as leftist and that's what most important innit.

How do you think voting for the party that's been in power for the last 13 years is going to make men take women seriously?

It is really quite simple. Those of us who don’t want to spoil our ballots think Labour will be worse. Let’s face it, the Tories have had three female leaders which indicates that women are taken seriously.

How many female leaders has the Labour Party had?

In 91 constituencies the Lib dems were in second place in the last election, often to the tories. Vote for "change" in one of those and children lose any protection from gender ideology.

Many of us have been either holding our noses and voting against the tories or spoiling ballot papers, now Kier has blown that.

Way to overlook what a woman is saying!

I'll take the status quo over following others down the path of female erasure, such as Canada and the US, any day of the week ta very much.

If you are convinced a Conservative vote is best for women based on logic then my post wasn't aimed at you and I entirely respect your democratic right to vote how you choose, no judgement here.

In general I hear a lot of people (IRL as well as online, over lots of issues not just this one) say "they are all just as bad" and in general these are traditional Conservative voters. Those are the people I was talking about.

I don't think its conscious, I think its them trying to deal with the cognitive dissonance caused by the party they feel is their political home being currently populated by a bunch of far right populists, liars and people out for themselves.

I then think there are a bunch of politically motivated accounts on various online platforms who magnify that to undermine our democratic processes, for various reasons. So I'm just trying to encourage lurkers to think about the evidence.

What is the evidence that any of the other parties (with the possible exception of the SNP) a "just as bad" as the current Conservative party? I don't see it, sorry.

Oh, and in my opinion there is no evidence whatsoever that the Conservatives intend to do anything about womens rights. Their stated position is the same as Labour. Its all hot air and empty promises at the moment.

I'm happy to be persuaded but I need more than "Kemi is looking at it" to be convinced. Maria Miller looked at it and proposed self ID. Liz Truss looked at it and proposed a quicker, cheaper, "kinder" GRC process .

Bit of a derail, but I see Labour won't bring back a cap on bankers' bonuses.