Thank you: Debbie Hayton in the Mail

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13011839/I-went-agonising-operation-thought-woman-finally-make-happy-devastating-revelation.html

The article says that ‘the surgeon had sliced open my male genitals and repurposed them to create an aesthetic and functional facsimile of female genitalia.’

A functional vagina does a lot of things that a facsimile created from repurposed male genitals is never going to be capable of.

Hayton bangs on repeatedly about being a scientist. He teaches science to high school kids, for heaven’s sake, he’s not Richard Dawkins or Stephen Hawking.

I found it very uncomfortable seeing the two photos with Stephanie in an article which doesn’t touch on what his transition did to her. She’s used as his prop, not a woman with agency.

Both the “take me seriously, I am a scientist” and the use of his wife as a visual prop gave me a very strong impression of Hayton as Me Me Me, and not the Voice Of Reason he’s trying to present himself as.

Looks down at tits...

I mean if anyone wants to bow down to me given how high up that breast size social hierarchy I am knock yourselves out. In the meantime I'll just be knocking myself out with my own tits every time I try to run.

If nothing else they have created a debate, and the chance for people to consider their thinking and take on board other views.

There is an underlying point about sexuality and gender. If Debbie is driven by a fetish, and they suggest they are wired that was and always have been, this relates to sexuality, not gender.

Fetishes are difficult. There is clear agreement that acting out paedophilia is wrong because of the harm done to children. There is also general agreement that paedophiles seem to be born that way and it is not something that can be "cured", though obviously acting on the fetish is wrong. AGP as a fetish may also be something you are born with, which is why so many middle aged men claim they always felt as if they were in the wrong body. The next step is to work out what is acceptable. Wear what you want, but don't enter protected women's spaces?

One logical follow through is that AGP men have nothing in common with confused girls thinking they are boys. And helps demolish any case for medicalising children.

I always think the de-transers/ the reasonable voice of trans people are a bit GB News.

The Straight Spouse Network podcast did an illuminating interview with both Dr Haytons a few years ago (Stephanie has a doctorate too.)

DH told her that if she asked him to leave over this, he would. But when she did ask, he refused ‘because I like to push boundaries’ or something like that.

DH told her that if she asked him to leave over this, he would. But when she did ask, he refused ‘because I like to push boundaries’ or something like that.

Philias tend to flock in numbers rather than remain single. Control over a family/others, a refusal to honour your word…it all adds to the thrill of transgression. We see it in Yaniv, Izzard, Bergdorf and so many other key representatives.

Can anyone who reads this or his book report back on his lifelong mission to undo all the harm he caused ALL THE GIRLS in schools across the UK because he got the policies changed to allow boys into their toilets and changing rooms?

I mean, I'm sure if this isn't all about Debbie he will do everything in his power to undo that, right?

P.s...he's just a man making more money off the tide turning. He is not to be trusted on anything.

Also: Stephanie Hayton? Come the fuck on Fat Tony.

Sorry, as you were.

There are loads of men who talk about their AGP. You can go onto Reddit and read tons of stories.

It's the relentless consumption of online pornography that creates it. Sissy porn, Hypo porn, etc. All involving the total subjugation of women. You have to go some for it to take hold of you as much as it does with these men, but then that's what they do.

And of course, they try to create a trans child , to justify their adult fetish.

Debbie's wife is wearing his shoes in that picture...they're massive and clearly far too big for her feet.

That's right, I'd forgotten. He tells everybody exactly what he's like, and people still give him the benefit of the doubt!

That is weird. I just looked myself. They clearly aren't her shoes!

Tit hierarchy 🤣

Kneel! Bow down before my mighty bosoms!

Seriously, that should only be a thing on the bird table.

I've seen Hayton's articles in Unherd and/or the Critic. I've not read one for years though. They always seem a bit....simplistic and lacking somehow. I think of him like i do the right wingers who's views might coincidentally intersect or overlap with that of GC feminists. I don't believe our interests are the same or that we're coming from or aiming for the same place.

OH my fucking Christ!!!

People wonder why trans rights has such a stranglehold and seems impossible to counteract it, yet when someone comes out and talks about the reality and fights back against the activists they're shouted down because they're not the right sort of person.

The harm that Hayton achieved via schools and the spread of the ideology that it granted permission to in other institutions.

Normalising the prioritisation of considering the needs of trans women at the cost of safeguarding for women and children and the rights of others.

Hayton bears a heavy responsibility for the social and legal harms that have flowed from Hayton imposing desires and needs on others. And is being feted for it.

They probably got them out to make sure they were colour coordinated for the photograph. It is still a very man with his woman photograph 🤔

He's not fighting back against it! He's making money out of it.

I think DH is advocating for DH to get lots of attention/influence/power.

Genuinely. When are publishers going to be asking Appleby, Sanchez, Phoenix, Meade, Forstater, Tucker, Bailey, Adams for their manuscripts about all they've gone through?

When will they be invited to contribute columns and speak from platforms?

He does.

I read the first half of the article and it is very much 'honesty from his point of view', missing and minimising the awkward bits. He draws you in with his confessions.

He claims that he can't transition into a woman, yet later he says he will not be detransitioning as the surgery cannot be reversed. It is a bizarre halfway house that suits him, as detailed by his agp 'confession' further up the article.

From there on, having drawn you in with his 'honesty' you can go along and believe in him, or you find you can no longer be sure what he means.

You really think that trans ideology has a stranglehold on many organisations because the women arguing against it don't support a man who helped implement it in schools?

When that man is still pretending to be a woman and talking about his fetish publicly whilst working as a teacher.

I'm trying to remember the article that Empress refers to, where he talks about liking to push boundaries.

I can't recall the actual words, but I'm pretty certain I was left with the impression that he either thinks, or actually said, that he always wants to get his own way and is clever at doing so.

I think the thing that annoys me the most is him admitting that he needs people to perceive him as a woman.

We don't perceive him as a woman and he has no right to insist that we do.

The pointless blah about how someone should talk about him if he's on the other side of a room and how it wouldn't be helpful to call him a man - it would be accurate to call him a transwoman though, but no he wants woman.

I don't think he has any real insight at all.