Another GC employment tribunal. Adam's vs Edinburgh Rape Crsis

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Claiming constructive dismissal for GC beliefs.

ERC CEO is a well known transwoman know for controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

Why on earth wouldn't they refer on? It's not like rape crisis centres are in competition

What kind of person leaves a victim of sexual violence with zero support as punishment for daring to ask them to confirm that their women-only support group is women-only? The kind of person that should be nowhere near a Rape Crisis service.

Sulking like petulant children because another sexual assault support service exists is unbecoming of a service that claims to care about rape and sexual assault survivors.

Depriving women of help whilst also refusing to refer them to someone who'd be more than happy to is just unbelievably spiteful. It's abhorrent.

There are lots of very good and compassionate people in the field, who care a lot about women.

Seems there are also unfortunately some careerists and ideologues who really don't prioritise the women they are tasked with caring for.

Depriving women of help whilst also refusing to refer them to someone who'd be more than happy to is just unbelievably spiteful. It's abhorrent.

Yes. I'd like to hear their reasoning behind that. Why would they turn someone away for her views? Why would they refuse to signpost her to another service that could help?

What kind of person leaves a victim of sexual violence with zero support as punishment for daring to ask them to confirm that their women-only support group is women-only? The kind of person that should be nowhere near a Rape Crisis service.

This sort of attitude really isn't worthy of respect in a democratic society.

As per Helen Joyce's last newsletter, I think we will eventually hit a test case where someone is fired for this, they try to claim protection under Forstater logic - but they fail on the WORIADS test, because their beliefs really were infringing people's dignity and rights.

There would be a pleasing symmetry. We're gradually getting cases showing bounds within which manifestation of GC beliefs is acceptable - we want some showing bounds beyond which manifestation of TWAW beliefs is unacceptable.

So, to set up a complementary test case, maybe Beira's Place needs to hire a TRA...

Why on earth wouldn't they refer on? It's not like rape crisis centres are in competition

Because their absolute zealotry that women cannot ever be allowed to deny that males can be women is more important than either doing their job or compassion and respect for their service users.

Punishing unworthy women is a bonus.

Like old church letting women in labour suffer because they have ‘sinned’ (worse still for unmarried mothers).

Quite.

So many of these activists took these jobs not with any real desire to help or an interest in the people they were being employed to serve, but through a political desire to capture women's organisations and ensured that women either revolved around men or suffered punishment.

Not worthy of respect. No.

This.

And Magdalen laundries etc

@PrawnLiberationFront what are you talking about GC women are entirely about getting back single sex spaces for women. @Datun Nicely put.

Zealots, they are committed to the ideology and actually despise the women they are there to help.

Ball cradling handmaidens if women. Straight out woman haters if male.

Why am I unsurprised to see TRA's actually defending the ERCC turning away women from rape crisis services, because they have dared to ask for single sex services, as allowed under the EQA2010.

Then again, TRA's seem to take great pride in the Vancouver Rape Crisis Centre being defunded and dead rats railed to their doorways, in the name of 'inclusion'.

As a woman in the Edinburgh and the Lothians area, I genuinely cannot thank JKR enough for setting up and completely funding Beira's Place. It receives no funding from the Scottish Government and so takes nothing away from the allocation to ERCC (who are almost completely funded by the Scottish Government). This is still not enough for TRA's who demand that Beira's Place be shut down.

It's all about the men's rights.

No, cos it's not pro women. Its pro men.

It's not just all about men's rights.

It's all about taking away any rights or agency from women.

It's why they're called the TRAliban. And it's also why they hate Beira's place and JKR so very, very much as it's impossible to take away the agency of a billionaire. And they want traumatised women to be left without nowhere to go - that is the only possible motivation for not only denying a woman a service but also not directing her to an alternative. It's evil, frankly.

The very comment that rape survivors should 'expect to be challenged' on their choices proves unequivocally that this man is far nore interested in his own power than he is in protecting and reassuring attacked women.

Just been raped? Well, expect to be challenged on who you instinctively feel safe with. That is a priority before we deal with any needs of yours. Because you can't reject a man can you, I mean it's not like you have a right to say no to a man is it. Sorry, what was your problem again?

This must be awful for the Claimant but it will give survivors hope now sunlight is on the issue. Most people don't realise TRAs are forcing mixed sex rape crisis services on traumatised women.

I wonder if it has made local news. Will be interested to see how CIPD cover it, they recently produced a trans inclusion thought leadership guide (obviously they only consulted trans people) and they tend to report on all employment tribunals. May be some uncomfortable conversations there.

Let's hope Naomi C is better today 🤞

Quite. Permitting this man to reprogramme you to centre his wishes and interests is the price of being 'supported' with your rape.

'Supported' in inverted commas as first, this is a second abuse on top of the first, perpetrated by a man. It involves coerceive control and breaking her boundaries. It involves teaching her that she must abandon her feelings and needs and trauma, in fact her personhood and do what he wants or else. She must reframe what happened to her not in the way that helps her or is true to her, but in the way he wishes her to. And she must even attempt to think as he instructs her to. And frankly any 'help' he offers her after that I am deeply cynical about.

But I'm sure he's having a lovely time, so that's all that matters isn't it?

Are you saying that GC women on twitter have never been raped and are only saying these things for political reasons? Or is it possible that they are gender critical partly because of their life experience which very well may include being victims of rape and understanding first hand just how important it is to have single sex spaces?

The arrogance of assuming that gender critical women are just activists with no life experience is astonishing especially when TRA mantras are all about 'lived experience'.

The issue comes back down to the lived experience of males is NEVER the same as the lived experience of females regardless of how anyone identifies because of sex and because of male pattern violence against females.

Being unable to see, acknowledge or understand this and instead trying to block and silence is the very height of abusing women all over again by removing support and access to safety.

Maybe the centre and whoever runs it should have listened to women when they said they wanted a single sex space, doesn’t matter if this man was the nicest, kindest and most compassionate man on the planet (which I doubt). No men mens no men.

Why is the voice of the victims worthless, yet a man ‘who wants’ (and lies - let’s not forget this job was advertised as being for women only) gets?

why were victims who desperately needed help shown the door when they asked for women only groups?

I thought workers in these centres were supposed to be compassionate and caring (towards their users).

Precisely. And anyone working for a rape crisis centre should understand trauma and trauma responses.

Some women will be angry and fight.

Some will self-exclude (flight)

And some will fawn or freeze, and be overly welcoming to males. It's a coping mechanism.

we want some showing bounds beyond which manifestation of TWAW beliefs is unacceptable.

Surely every case that is won by a GC person is a case where the manifestation of TWAW beliefs was considered to be unacceptable. Bullying, harassment, job loss, causing repetitional damage etc. are all unlawful manifestation of the belief that TWAW.

Just reposting this earlier post in case anyone wanted to join online. I requested to do this yesterday and got a very quick response with the log in details

Thank you, I am currently 'Waiting for the conference host to join'

Me too.

'Welcome to the conference.' Hope NC is much improved.