Another GC employment tribunal. Adam's vs Edinburgh Rape Crsis

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Claiming constructive dismissal for GC beliefs.

ERC CEO is a well known transwoman know for controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

Also in Scotland and wasn't aware of this until now. Following along now, here for the result.

Agree. That is reminiscent of MW's "reframe your trauma"

😄 I spent some time trying to make sure my comment didn’t read as if women were unimportant - “Not just women, men too!” - and in the end I just hoped I hadn’t messed up.

https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre

For those without a Twitter account who want to follow (sorry if this has been posted already, I've lost track)

that makes me really uncomfortable. If you were MW that would be the same as plonking a TW in a refuge with a load of GC abuse survivors.

What did the Asian people in the refuge do to deserve to have a racist plonked down in their midst? I don't understand the thinking here.

To my mind the correct approach would be to say "sorry, we aren't set up to help you - go to X refuge they can help"

@Karensalright can you explain what the Garrick test is please, and why it makes a difference to the case?

Even if Bieras Place IS old fashioned, then it still might serve it's users who have different politics and feelings to women using other services. This is ok as women are allowed to have different politics and it doesn't break the law because it's in line with the Equality Act.

All it does is show up the fact that this is all about pushing ideology onto extremely vulnerable women rather than saying 'hey great, we know there is a massive lack of services in this area' and welcoming more resources and funding.

Yes those old fashioned women, without penises

"Really sorry Mrs Jones, I can't help with your rape injuries and trauma because in my opinion the service that is available to you is white feminism related and capitalist."

Wtaf is the matter with these people and who employed them in a position of responsibility for vulnerable service users? They're fit for nothing other than academic ivory towers and student unions.

If, as it seems, ERCC were not following the National Standards then it's a bit rich for them to criticise another organisation for not being regulated.

Also worth querying what Wadhwa's problem is with 'white feminists'.

Don’t like white women. So emigrates to a country where women are mostly white.

So I can go to India and complain about all those Indian men?

Somewhat reminiscent to me of the attitudes on the American frontier in the 1840s where women were supposed to be careful not to survive the experience if they were raped, rather than inflict their awful moral situation on decent people.

Also worth querying what Wadhwa's problem is with 'white feminists'.

Especially as Scotland is about 95% white population I think? ERCC needs to be able to serve the local community, not impose their own politics on it.

i think it may be a techincal jargon thing. There is a difference between feminists who are white, in academic feminism at least, and White Feminists (who are those who don't have any understanding/consideration of how policies etc affect non-white women)

But even in academic feminism it seems to me that the terms are often used interchangeably to mean any white feminist (and I've even seen it used about some WOC) who focuses on the sex based rights of women and girls in their feminism and doesn't get too bogged down in modern academic thinking.

What time is kick off today please?

Thank you for explaining that.

So it is better for a raped woman to just suffer and cope alone than it is for her be helped by a group whose primary consideration is her actual needs rather than performing the right sort of academic wankery.

These people are out of their little tiny minds.

10am start today.

Sending thoughts, strength and support to Roz Adams today. She's amazing. And wishing her all the very best.

well yes, and that is the problem when academic jargon (cis is one, Othering is another) that when used out of context - and without the correct capitalisation - just muddies the waters.

It's like Hygge. It is one word but it conveys so much more than that one little word. Same as when people use Gammon (i don't like it personally) and so on. White Feminism is a thing, and it is something worth looking at in an academic context.

Using it to spout hate and try to ward off accusations of racism and misogyny is deliberate. Especially in a country which, as pp pointed out, is mostly white because of Geography.

sorry, no, i think it was used as a way to head off accusations of misogyny. If you can get in the "anyone who comes at me is a White Feminist" (note capitalisation) will stop most people in their tracks. Because they understand from hearing that term (where if they don't know the actual term, they don't know about the capitalisation) that anyone who contradicts the speaker is a racist.

It is underhand, but clever. We should totally, as GC feminists, try to work out how to do the same.

It seems like a bizarre statement from MW who, one would think, would understand that there are particular cultural reasons for many women, that mean they need to have access to single-sex spaces and services, or will access none at all.

Oh I think the understanding is there and the point is that women will self exclude to the point that there is no real service for women or only with a heavy cost.

It's funny how this gender ideology seems to have really taken off once laws against coercive control came into force.

As far as I'm concerned as soon as you're policing people's language and perceptions, that's coercive control. Especially when those people you are seeking to control have vulnerabilities which clearly someone accessing a rape crisis centre will have.